Blah, blah, blah. Rafer sucks, yes he's on a roll but he still sucks, blah blah blah. I love this team. They fit. They fit together like a glove. They have their imperfections and kinks that are still being worked out as the season progresses. But man, you can't help loving this team. Come playoff time, I have a feeling they will be primed and ready. Waiting for you, big fella. On an alternative note, I think JVG might have to start alternating minutes between Kirk and Bonzi depending on opposing matchups soon. Kirk is obviously desperate for playing time and really out there to give it everything he's got.
I don't? Ok, whatever you choose to believe. It's an educated guess but it's ultimately something that is unprovable. Without me even having to go into detail, there is evidence to support my position (in terms of VSPan not playing if that is an argument of yours). He got a chance to get on the court, he's not hurt, we brought him in hear to play, he doesn't miss practice, yet he is glued to the bench when one of our biggest (if not biggest) needs is a backup pg. Yet he doesn't pay, not even over JL in garbage time for the most part. You do the math. I'm very happy the Rockets won. I'm happy after every win. That's one of the main problems I see with a lot of posters here. Even when we win they look for something to criticize. I understand that the reason we are here is to debate and that's cool but don't you think the Rafer criticism and JVG comments have grown very old quickly? I sure do. We're one of the best teams in the NBA and we've been missing Yao for a signifigant period of time (lost TMac too), let's be happy with what our team has accomplished
Sometimes personality conflicts result in players not getting on the court. Like Dale Ellis in Dallas many years ago. It is a known situation that JVG does not like to play rookies. He doesn't trust them. It is a quirk that he has, and we as Rocket fans just have to deal with it. Is that the case in the V-span situation? I really don't know, but judging by some of JVG's comments about him being a high risk, high reward player, it seems that he is a player that JVG is a bit scared to trust, as evidenced by his playing time being at the 2 guard position instead of his natural PG position. V-Span is just going to have to prove it in the summer leagues to get his shot.....and he also needs to improve his shooting.....time will tell on V-span. In a similar situation we gave up on Boki because he had a conflict with JVG about his role, and we tossed him away. It has taken Boki some time, but he is finally coming into his own as an NBA player....too bad it is for another team. The issue is a matter of satisfaction with the team. While you are satisfied with a 35-20 record, I see a record that could be significantly better. I am pretty happy with the overall team, but I still think we will have a hard time getting out of the first round of the playoffs without home court advantage, and every game counts.....right now, we would not have home court in any round....and that significantly decreases the Rockets chances for a good playoff run. That is why there is criticism of the team when they underperform....like against Atlanta. It is a matter of perspective.....I think the team is playing pretty well, but IMHO, not good enough to matter in the playoffs....and that is what I am primarily focused on..... DD PS - It looks like the Orlando game is not available in the Leage pass broadband archives....UGH .
You think? You are asking JVG to think outside the box? To make adjustments to his rotation based upon matchups? Who do you think he is???? Popovich, Avery, Jackson, Riley? COME ON !!! ROFLMAO - adjustments to his rotation....oh man that is rich - you are 100% correct but you are asking JVG to do something that he is clearly not comfortable doing. Probably the more likely scenario is Bonzi gets benched and Snyder plays..... DD
Why do you derive so much enjoyment out of embarrassing yourself? Based on that I guess one could argue that the Rockets would have won back to back championships without the Dream. You can't prove me wrong, can you? Whether you like it or not, VSpan is a scrub, won't play, and shouldn't play. You just must be b****ing about something, all the time. First, it was JHo and he shut your bashing mouth up didn't he? Then it was JVG, but when he won 66% of his games without Yao, you saw the foolishness of that position too. Then it was Rafer, but the last 3 games have zipped your mouth on that subject. And to even consider that you might take a vacation from your constant badmouthing of something is not even an option, is it? But hey you always got Billy the Kid. If the Rockets would just realize how great Billy is they would sweep through the NBA playoffs, MJ style. Do you even realize what a joke you have made yourself into. Probably not, so go back to your whining.
I realize that I was making a nonsensical point about the guy who said if V-Span played we would have lost by 15.....and I was putting up a counter point showing how neither could be proven, do you know how to read, or are you just focused on coming into a thread and findind a reason to start a fight with DD....your DD hatorade is showing.....as is your lack of class. I realize that I have higher standards for the Rockets and their success than you do. I realize that only ONCE in the history of the NBA has a team won a championship without having home court advantage in any round. I realize that I think V-Span will be a good NBA player, but not without court time. I realize that JVG is a good coach, but IMHO, not a championship coach and gets owned by the better coaches that are willing to switch things up based upon matchups, which takes advantage of JVG's dogged dedication to his rotation. I realize that Bonzi is less of a player and a worse fit than Snyder, yet continues to play because he was a good player in years past.... I realize that the above is a complete breakdown in consistency from JVG and that he holds veterans to a different level of accountability than rookies or younger players, which is hypocritical of him. I realize that J-Ho has been much improved but is still a pretty weak NBA starter. How did he do last night against Dwight Howard again? I realize that you like to b**** and moan about people that don't share your opinion, and it is your trolling nature to come in and shoot the messenger rather than engage in contstructive dialogue. I realize we are not going to agree - and that you think you are right, and I think I am right, so what is the point? I realize that being a fan and talking about weaknesses and strengths of that team is part of fandom..... I realize that you don't like people who keep it real, but would rather just look at the record and go...hey we are ok. I realize that the chances of us winning a playoffs series in the western conference without homecourt is pretty bad.....and that every game counts....do you? DD
Perfect time to look stink Juwan. No harm done. Ummmm.............Bonzi, WTF was that!!!??? More TO's than FG made!!!???
Chances are "pretty bad."? That means less than 50-50 right? OK, I'm willing to take that LESS than 50% chance and say the ROCKETS will win their first round playoff whether they have homecourt or not. Put up or shut up DD. IF the Rockets win the first round, you limit posting to one a day. If the Rockets lose the first round, I won't ever post again. Fair enough? Put up or shut up! Aren't you comfortable with your own analysis that you would have BETTER than a 50% chance?
What a stupid bet, as I said earlier, I would be rooting to lose that bet. Why would I ever do that? And way to ignore all the points I made that refuted ANYTHING you posted. BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE ! You are still new around here, you should engage in conversation and be a productive member of the board. If you disagree with me....fine.....put up or shut up....but don't come into a thread looking to pick a fight just because you don't like someone's opinions because at the end of the day, that is what they are, just opinions. Hopefully we all want the Rockets to win......right? Why hate on people who share the same passions? DD
Because it would be in everybody's interest, including YOURS, if you would take a break. You just don't get it do you?
Yeah, I get that you are a troll and don't like people who keep it real and want the team to be as successful as it can be, to reach it's potential. Funny how all these newbs want to come on here and pick a fight, but not add any actual content, yet then they whine about people who are actively discussing their team and how to improve it. I also get that you don't like my posting style. Fine....ignore it...as I will now do for you. If you don't want to discuss the Rockets and only want to discuss personal feelings about other posters, and your opinions on them you will be ignored. I am happy to engage in actual debate and discussion with other passionate fans, but you have proven to be trollish in nature and simply attack the messenger instead of trying to argue your point. How about all the points I made above where everything you said was completely and utterly destroyed? Yet you continued to attack me instead of dealing with the facts. If you want to be the first one on my ignore list....ever....keep it up. You are just a DD hater, and it is clouding your chance to learn something about the great game of basketball. DD
Now that we have heard your typical 500 word non-substantive ranting, here are the FACTS: I came on this board and from the outset have ALWAYS said the same thing: The Rockets were beautifully constructed by CD and JVG to go from a lottery team to an NBA championship. 6 role players were picked to surround 2 superstars. What you and a hundred others will never understand is that the 6 role players could not be Iverson, Kobe, Garnett, Wade, Nash, and Dirk. It had to be marginal NBA vets that could accept limited roles, limited salary, and be OK with that. The Battier move started the wheels in motion and there was no turning back that THIS YEAR and NEXT are all that matters. Rafer, contrary to idiotic thinking of you and other robots on this board, is a perfect fit. Is he flashy? No. Is he Nash? No. Is he doing his job? Absolutely. The same goes for Howard, another guy you bashed relentlessly and have been proven 100% WRONG. Even JVG is the perfect fit, but you don't see it. How could you? JVG is a no nonsense, pragmatist, that knows the value of veterans who accept their roles of team play. Give him those players and he can turn them into a team that can be upper echelon, even without the great Yao. Give him Yao for a season and there is no guessing how good the Rockets could be. So for all the Rockets accomplishments, do you enjoy the season? Of course not. It is one rant after another. Funny, but you are down to the last rant - Billy. You were wrong about JHo, Rafer, Battier, and JVG, weren't you? Why don't you admit that you just like to post and like to complain. The two, for you, just seem to go together. So while you are finding something else to moan about, I'm loving my team. I like our chances of winning it all. Will it happen? Maybe not - BUT THE ROCKETS HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF HANDPICKING 6 VETERANS TO GO WITH 2 SUPERSTARS. Can't you just be happy with the Rockets have gone from lottery team to a team with a legitimate chance to win it all? Probably not, so go back to your whining.
Shockingly, I AGREE !!!! And have since Day one. Again, I agree, and if you actually had been following my posts for more than a month or two you would understand. I have been saying almost the same thing. I was one of the FEW who loved the Battier trade from DAY ONE !!!!!! I don't think Rafer is all that good, true....but I do understand his role, I just think there are others that could be doing his role more effeciently. Rafer is the team's weakest link, and it is at this position we have the biggest matchup problems with the upper echelon teams. And, I am worried that the season will be determined by our weakest link. But, I do appreciate Rafer's hustle, his steals by playing the passing lanes, and his nice running of the fast break. If he would just take on contact when going to the hole instead of shooting that little lifeless teardrop, I would like him more. I don't hate Juwan at all, if you would actually read my posts, I was saying he was good enough to win with all year......just ask Sam Fisher about that point. Juwan may not be perfect, and he may not compliment Yao all that much, but he is an adequate player on the team. Again, you don't read. JVG is a good coach, my biggest worry is that he does not use his bench enough during the regular season, which can wear down your starters before the playoffs, or that he is too myopic and dogmatic in his rotational views to make the necessary adjustments to win it all. IE - how long does it take to see that Bonzi is not a good fit, and our lack of perimeter athleticism is our biggest weakness, yet he leaves Snyder on the bench when he solves that weakness in spades? I agree - thus me saying in many threads that while I have some issues with him, I think he is the coach of the year and if he gets out of the first round deserves an extension. Hello ! McFly !!! This is a bulletin board, it is about venting when you are frustrated and celebrating when you are happy, it is a place to gather and digitally high five, or digitally moan, how is it that you are posting here and miss the entire point? Thus my....CD should win GM of the year thread......but you couldn't find anything to whine about in there so you ignored it..... And no, I am NOT happy when the team loses to Atlanta because of a lack of effort, are you? That is precisely why I am being critical, you are the one whining. I see a team that COULD potentially win it all, with some tweaking. And I come on this board to discuss & debate about my beloved Rockets. Am I completely satisfied with a 35-20 overall record? No, I am not, because to win it all you need homecourt advantage, and even though I am somewhat happy with the record the Rockets could have 8 or more wins if they had a killer instinct- which by the way, I think you need to win it all. So, I actually don't think we are that far off in our beliefs, but you take one of my positions and make guesses about the others to mold your belief about me....when if you actually took the time to read and THINK about what I am posting you would understand that we are both after the same thing. A Rockets championship. The only difference is that I am willing to discuss ways to make the team better and to critique anyone and everyone on the team when they deserve it....if a guy is dogging it, I am going to call him out on it.....just like JVG...ironic -huh? DD
Al I can say is that JVG's refusal to play rookies is not the reason he's not on court. In fact, JCg wanted to get him on the court this season but unfortunately VSpan dug his own hole. That's as far as I can take it. Novak is different. he's not playing b/c of his lack of defensive capabilities. However, he stands a chance to be a player on the team. I understand your point on our team. I have no problem criticizing us the same as I appauld us. However, I think Rafer and JVG have been made the designated scapegoats and I don't agree with that. I watched it on the internet. Rafer, TMac, Luther and Battier were all spectacular. Bonzi was hideous. If Kirk Snyder only had a brain
Both parties made a good points and when I say both I mean DD and posters against DD since there were more than one! lol...we should have a poll about if you like or hate DD on clutchfans!
No way would I want to see that poll...too many people disagree with my take on V-Span and it clouds their abilities to discuss other issues with me in a non-emotional manner. And yes, I get the irony. DD
No, the poll should be: Can we nickname DD "Mr. Preposterous Trade Suggester"? How does the commercial go? "Mr Preposterous trade suggester thinks we can trade the 12th man for an All Star" Same thing with DD. He thinks that any college or international stud being drafted into the NBA will be a future all star. Most of those DD picks end up being busts and out of the league in a couple of years Spanoulis and Novak are the latest DD picks for future all star appearances. I don't have time to go through all the busts that DD thought had star potential
LOL - you need to some research, I rarely propose trades.... & I don't think Novak is going to be a star....I do think V-Span will be a very good PG.....and a potential All-star.... Most of my picks are right on the money, but some flame out......people like to toss my flamers back in my face..... It is ok....I get it...and sometimes deserve it, like with Langhi or Fizer ! DD
usually like Everyone on clutchfans I dont agree with DD... ...but I have to second the idea of vspan being a potential All-star! like DD I do believe that vspan could be a FUTURE potential All-star and of course a very good PG!! BUT unlike DD I don't believe NOW is that time and he certainly needs more experience in the NBA and learn a lot!! yes I think vspan should get PT but not this season since we are in a NOW mode and we cant risk any game therefore vspan should prove himself in the summer league and maybe if he does prove himself to JVG I don't see why JVG won't give him playing time next season!!! Don't forget luther head earned himself playing time last year as a rookie and look at him this year!! its not about JVG not playing rookies... he continuosly said "he will do what is best for the team and which player can help WIN the game!!" and luther head last year and this year is a living example!!!!!
