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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Heat 11/23/2007

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. daernoth

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    What I dont understand is why Rick set the rotations so early in the season. He pretty much seems to have made up his mind about who would play judging from the preseason alone. I mean... he just joined this team. Shouldnt he take longer to make such a decision? He doesnt know this players(except for Bonzi). We be in such a rush to bench people? And seriously... anybody can play well in the preseason.

    His judgment just doesnt look good. By the rotations you would have to assume that if the only pgs we had were Luther and Steve he would start Luther!!! Does that make any sense to anybody?? sigh...
     
  2. daddy cool

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    He has lost 6 games in a row,The team is losing respect and just the fact of losing this ma
     
  3. doublehh03

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    uh yea, judge the team after 13 games. your posts have been as stupid, well, as adelman on not playing francis.

    the thing i don't like about adelman is when we ran his offense, it looks great. but then he resorts back to the JVG-style offense of constant pick and roll and it just traps tmac and we stagnate like last yr.

    and yao is not getting enough touches when tmac is doubled.

    but please, refrain from posting.
     
  4. rocketsregle

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    Adelman doesn't know his own personnel or how to utilized them. And you think he figure it out by now. Too frequently the team has gotten too caught up in running the system. A system that makes the ball end up in the hands of role-players who don't know what to do with it. Adelman is so clueless. Yao not touching the ball when Shaq went out in the fourth? Luther at the point? We are not a very smart team and it starts with the coach. We can't make stops and that also falls on the coaching staff because it's obvious they don't prepare the team the way JVG did.

    Here's a thought. How about the coaching staff put more effort in planning defensive strategies and scouting. Quit trying to run a system that puts the ball in role players that can't make a shot. Run the offense through both McGrady and Yao, not just through one. Both McGrady and Yao should have 20 shots a game.
     
  5. Mehdi

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    IM DEPRESSED thats all i know...for the first time in 2 years im not even excited to go to the game tomorow im actually scared...geez i miss jvg..
     
  6. daddy cool

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    He has lost 6 games in a row,The team is losing respect from their opponents and just the fact of losing is freakin contagious and can be a serious disease. He needs to shakeup the lineup imediatley because it aint working.


    Rafer altson had a look of FEAR in his eyes in the 4th quarter when he was inserted back into the game.



    HE NEEDS TO CHANGE THE ROTATIONS ASAP
     
  7. Pueblo

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    That's why I have seriously started to doubt his coaching ability. But I am trying to tell myself to be patient based on his track record.
     
  8. Yetti

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    I wonder how many of us fans watched tonights game of our
    Rockets V Miami and feel something like I do?
    Our Houston Rockets have a pungent smell about them, I almost
    said 'stink' but as I as I don't usually use this sort of language,
    I left it out!
    The question came across my mind, as I wondered what had
    happened to my Rockets, which started the season 6-1, are
    the players trying to get rid of the new coaching staff because
    with exception of Scola all of them were lousey and played much
    below their potential?
    The game was most boring, not even Yao Ming caused me to feel
    that I was into the game, infact I thought that Yao couldn't care
    because he was playing so poorly against Shaq that the title of most
    dominent Center has slipped through his grasp as he looked like he
    had digressed about four seasons!
    Tracy McGrady, damaged arm etc. showed by his shot and free
    throw shooting that this was not one of his better outings. I am
    not sure if he realised this because he was also quite poor at the
    playmaking side of his game.
    I was one who lauded praise on Morey at the beginninmg of this
    season
    but I now see the CD tradition has not died away, infact it's live and
    well .
    The Rockets are carrying a lot of dead weight, which is fairly aged and
    non ahletic or even out of shape in the case of the Franchise.
    The Rockets starting with the end of the Rudy T period seemed to
    have gotten away from developing players, so our rookies must also be included in our dead weight or possibly they were selected to trade for
    more of the same ...
    I for one wish we had Rudy Gay and not our intangible player named
    Battier and I think CD made a big bluder not having the foresight and consideration of the Rocket's future. I am one who is dead set against
    the win now scenario, especially when we do not have a great eye for
    talent, or the desire to develop a team through several seasons.
    I do not like what I see on the court both in players and in the
    method/plan of the game play! I do not like the Coach and his Coaching
    staff, they are not inovative enough and under their guidence our team
    is going down the tube! What can de done to get things back on it's feet again??
    Oh my poor Rockets what has become of them!!!!!! :eek: :eek:
    PS, The team looked unprepared for this game and I wonder if the coaches will do anything about it? Hope LES is hopping mad about it all!! :p



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  9. northeastfan

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    This season is turning into a complete nightmare. We've changed from a team that had so much promise to a team that looks like it can (and probably will) lose to anyone.

    We are flawed in so many ways:

    Yao - a 7' 6" who plays like he's 5' 6". He also must have the weakest hands in the NBA. Why can't he catch a ball? Why is he so easily stripped? Shaq showed him what *real* centers do. They dunk the ball when they are 2 feet from the basket and draw fouls. Mr. Softie gets dunked on and gets called for the foul. He also can't guard anyone who moves faster than molasses.

    Hayes - Um, how can an NBA started not have a jump shot? This is *basketball* afterall. He is also way too small to play PF. On offense, other teams don't even guard him. He's also an instant foul.

    Scola - Talking about instant foul .... Is there a pump fake he *didn't* bite on? From stupid fouls to lane violations to completely disappearing in several games, he's not the answer at PF. He's also too short too.

    Battier - Mr. pass up a good shot to give it to someone who can't shoot. He just isn't agressive enough on offense and over rated on defense. How many times does he commit a foul to put the other team on the line?

    McGrady - He is too lazy on D, not agressive enough on O and settles for the J way too much. He also chokes when it counts. He should *not* be handling the ball as much as he does since he turns the ball over way too much.

    Alston - Um, nobody in the NBA wants him and he starts on our team. *I* could probably out shoot him.

    Head - A spot up shooter and that's it. Too short to play D. Commits way too many fouls on D. Terrible dribbler and decision make. Probably has the highest TO per minute with the ball than any other guard in the NBA.

    Bonzi - Settles way too much for jumpers. Your job is to drive but you settle for the perimeter game. Also, seems to have no touch around the basket and is lazy on D.

    ...

    Adelman - You've got to get a clue. I thought you were a *coach* but you seem more like a spectator.
     
  10. ndnguy85

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    I TOLD U!

    0-4 on ESPN!
     
  11. BigEleven

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    This was what surprised / worried me most. I don't remember I ever saw Yao so down. Shaq played a good game but I won't say Shaq owned Yao tonight but rather Yao pulled himself out of the game. He did not look like he wanted to compete at all. Something wasn't right.

     
  12. Icehouse

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    There really isn't any excuse not to try Steve (or hell, Brooks) when we have lost 6 in a row and the three guards ahead of him can't score consistently (Alston, James, Head). I mean really, no excuse....
     
  13. blender

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    I thought the bench looked pretty good in the beginning of the second half when the two stars were sitting. The lineup of James, Bonzi, Battier (I think), Scola and Mutombo looked like they were clicking.

    But the bench players, particularly James and Bonzi, don't seem to look so sharp when playing with MacGrady and Yao. They seem to do a lot more standng around and waiting for the ball, which seemed to stagnate the offense.

    Also, they should do more catch and shoots with MacGrady coming off screens. They seemed very successful in the beginning of the season. This game, I noticed MacGrady often getting the ball on the perimeter with the defense double/triple teaming him, forcing him pass or put up a poor shot. Someone would try setting a pick for him, but most were too weak to help free him. Everybody else seemed to stand around waiting to see what T-Mac would do.

    And I don't know if it was just Dwayne Wade playing so well, but our perimeter D looked pretty bad. I'm noticing more teams being successful driving to the basket, and I don't see help defense being played as effectively. I think last year when opponent players would try driving towards the basket, we were better at cutting off certain lanes and funnelling them towards other players.
    This could just be part of our growing pains, but I don't see such systematic defense being played right now.
     
  14. monkeyboy32

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    This is just PATHETIC! I would be FINE if the Rockets were losing and actually using this so called "new" offense. Where is this cutting, fast break, easy bucket, Yao high post offense, and Tmac off the ball offense? We are basically playing the SAME style as last year.
     
  15. doublebogey

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    why blame Adelman? I heard it before and I will hear it in the future: coach dont miss shoots!

    4 gurards Alston/James/Head/Well playing like garbage and yeah, let's blame it on the coach. Adelman has their voodoo dolls and pinch them b4 the game. That's why they play like ****.
     
  16. doublehh03

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    i wonder how many of you watched the game tonight?

    1) tmac drove at all cost outside of a 5 minute stretch in the 3rd quarter where he jacked up 3 straight 3pt shots. in the first half, he drove all the time. in the 4th, he looked to drive all the time. when he got to the line, he just missed. when he passed out to our shooters, they didn't convert enough.

    2) yao just didn't get enough touches tonight and it was on adelman for sure. we completley ignored him many times. when tmac was doubled at the elbow and tmac passed out, yao was wide open as the big man tried to rotate back but we instead swing to the corner for 3s. they didn't front yao and it's a shame he only got 13 shots. if tmac is going to be doubled, we should pound the ball to yao at all cost.

    3) when we ran ADELMAN'S OFFENSE, it was spectacular. we were scoring efficiently. but then in the 4th, it was basically one damn play without any unprecitability: pick and roll w/ tmac => he ALWAYS gets doubled/trapped.

    4) adelman rarely double team other stars like phil jackson or jerry sloan on D. he doubled shaq sure. but we single covered wade like he's a nobody. he got 2 WIDE OPEN rafer-like jumpers to end the 2nd. he put mike james and bonzi on him with no help. on the other side, tmac gets doubled/tripled. we have no intensity on D. if battier is not going to do anything, he's pretty much useless.

    5) scola was great. he's getting there. but he still has to convert those layups.

    CONCLUSION: the only way i see this changing is we NEED ANOTHER PENETRATOR. when tmac is doubled and he swings it out, francis could have penetrated and give the ball to yao or finish. if yao is fronted, he could do the same. and he's a good defensive rebounder, which we're struggling at right now. AND he plays with energy. we had zero energy tonight.
     
  17. northeastfan

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    We got lucky against the Lakers the first time (Battier's three bailed us out of another meltdown). Against the Bobcats we needed a phantom foul call. We needed TMac to have a horseshoe up his *** to win the game against Utah.

    I completely agree. Lottery team even with a healthy TMac and Yao.
     
  18. BigEleven

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    Shane was perfect for JVG's system but not in RA's. Shane is supposed to be Doug Christie's counterpart in Rockets' uniform. However, his lag in offense and athletics really makes him a bad fit. Still, I think it was a good trade
    at that time.


     
  19. blastaway

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    I am of the opinion that ALL of this nightmare belongs to coach RICK SUCKS ADELMAN!

    He is the reason that the good ball players we have are not playing well and have no confidence in their game. They have no confidence in his coaching ability!

    Rick Adelman is living off of past glory like a 15 year running back with 4 knee surgeries. His time seems to be up! I really thought and was hoping that he was just getting off to a slow start and making some bad coaching decisions for whatever reason. But the more I watch him coach games, have no strategy, get out coached, play the same losing starting lineup, have no clue what to do or who to play when in the rotation and generally stink of any possible game plan against any team; the more I realize that he is not going to just come out of it one day.

    It's like RA is in a basketball coma and we are praying he will come out of it. Only the life support of his old achievements are holding him alive. Otherwise, the plug should already be pulled.

    He has no clue to keep talking about his defense needs to be better when he doesn't know how to coach defense. WE all knew that when he came in, but for him to act like he has a clue how to make the defense better is ridiculous since all of his teams have been consistent poor defensive teams. Just like RA (Rafer Alston), RA (Rick Adelman) is not going to all of a sudden give us what we need.

    If Morey doesn't step in soon and guide Rick Adelman to sane decisions, this season will turn out to be the biggest disappointment since the Mavs lost to Golden State last year, because we might not make the playoffs with his current coaching philosophy.

    I am not throwing in the towel, but people please don't think these are flukes and things will get better if nothing changes. This is how this team will play as long as this starting lineup is in and this current rotation of bench players stays the same.

    I hate to say it, but this has in some small way got to make Steve Francis say, "Ha Ha fool, told you that you should be playing me!"

    I mean, to say that he is the LAST bench player on a team that is 6-7, that says about how much coaching talent Rick Adelman has left in his system. My reason for watching now because not just entertainment from the team I love the most in professional sports, but to see how long Rick Adelman and Rafer Wafer will stink it up before Les and Morey do something about it.
     
  20. abc2007

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    Heats was the biggest loser last season, and reason is the Rockets. They played two games last season. In the first game they lost Shaq, and in the second game they lost Wade.

    Rockets owe Heats! Heats will recover after this game. I hope Rocket also can recover after this game!
     

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