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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Heat 11/23/2007

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. rocket1710

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    HOW ABOUT MAKING A TRADE FOR BIBBY AND ARTEST???
     
  2. lost_elephant

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    I know, I was like what the frick when I saw Tracy standing there laughing in the closing minute.
     
  3. Pueblo

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    I wish you are right, but it is hard for me to believe that he uses this rotation out of his respect for Coach Van Gandy. That seems to be too wishful thinking on your part.
     
  4. Bleeding Red

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    The only message I got from Rick Aldeman from his comments is: be patient, be patient. BE PATIENT as what cost??

    How about making necessary change and discipline players making stupid decisions ?? How about doing something about offense because it look like puke so far. How about doing something about the rotation because maybe they don't fit??
    Same old story so far "We let it slip away in 4th".
    This team doesn't need a "player coach" because we don't have players can create and generate offense without turn the ball over. We need coach set plays and enforce execution.
     
  5. dadesokan

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    from listening to the post game interview it seems that this coach has still not gotten it. What a shame? seems we can all see it he cant.

    He said the players not named TMAC and YAO are not producing consistently offensively. Agreed. but this is NOT the main PROBLEM. The team have lost their DEFENSIVE identity, that is how you will ball games. Heat lost last night to a hawks team that played solid defense on Wade. Now this struggling team shoot 55% on the rockets we dont get to a 100 points?

    How do you expect more offense out of a team thats practically the same as what JVG put together, minus scola, james and wells? JVG did not pride himself in offense, he did in his defense. TMAC has gone back to the old no defense playing TMAC, all RA is concerned about is no consistent offense.

    Please just fire this guy LES and BRING BACK JVG. I would take another 1st round exit and 50 plus win season. We might be a lottery team before its over and done.

    Just think if we had rudy gay now, when battier is not hitting 3 and locking down a player, we are in trouble.wow
     
  6. bingsha10

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    I'm really depressed. The rockets are convinced its their defensive intensity that is missing and thats all. While that is true, that is not all that is missing. It is obvious. Face it, the defense isn't coming back. Have to adjust.
     
  7. orbb

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    This made me LOL...dont know why :D
     
  8. rocket1710

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    snyder, battier, alston, james, head and cash for BIBBY AND ARTEST!!!!
     
  9. choujie

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    Shaq shot a lot more in less minutes if you counted FTs.
     
  10. Pueblo

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    Man, calm down. Our two star players played OK, not too bad. We lost this game, because of Rafer/Head and possible Mike.

    The way you vented your frustration, I wonder if that was the reason why you were downgraded to the "Rookie" status.
     
  11. dadesokan

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    So true. A Players coach "plays" with the players and that is what Alderman is doing right about now. Discipline is non existent with this team. I mean Rafer shooting airballs on back to back 3s. If we cant trade this guy, lets tanks the season and groom our rookies please. AB and Landry should get court time so we can have some hope next season.

    I dont know if we have enough pieces to trade for artest, bibby or both, but it should be worth the pursuit now.
     
  12. blazer_ben

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    Adelman needs to grow some balls and call out the two stars. sure we lack depth, but yao and tracy are horrible. shaq used yao like a used toilet. he was non-exsisten in the 4th . tracy just as bad.
     
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    When a game is played, there is always one team losing. However, the team can lose a game with fight and heart, and they can still claim themselves men. However, this Rockets team (including coach) is making oponents heroes. Look at Miama and Shaq, they looked like losers. Now Rockets made them heroes.

    This Rockets team has no heart, and play like wnba. As a Rockets fan, I have a BIG heart, and I am hurt deeply and bleeding.
     
  14. choujie

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    Adelman used yao like a used toilet.

    Fixed for you.
     
  15. Tfor3

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    well, he said


    hit the nail on the hammer


    and I was like wtf.....now I've heard " you hit it right on the head" before, but not "you hit the nail on the hammer"...wtf
     
  16. mclawson

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    From everything I've seen this season, most of our problems boil down to a lack of identity, both on the team and individual levels. For the past four years we were a defensive team. It was something we could hang our hats on, something we could take pride in, and something we could count on, game after game. On the offensive end we would pound the ball in to Yao and allow the game to work through him, setting up jump shooter and cutters alike. This year we just look lost, especially during the past six games. The players look confused, the coaching staff looks puzzled, and the whole system just appears disjointed. We don't have any identity to fall back on. I am unsure whether it's a trickle down effect from the lack of a team concept or whether the players are just unsure of their roles and it builds from there.

    For his entire career Yao has been a back to the basket, back to basics big man with a bit of range. He would punish people on the inside, commanding the double-team and forcing teams to make tough choices. Our spot up shooters fed off of this, getting great wide-open looks and knocking them down at a fairly high rate. This year, Yao is splitting his time between the high and low post, hoisting up 18-foot jumpers (and to his credit, hitting them) in addition to his array of low post moves. While it's typically good when players add to their repertoire, I believe it's hurting Yao to some degree. He's unsure of his role, his identity, and his place. In turn, it's hurting his teammates as well.

    Luther Head is an excellent spot up shooter. Last years numbers bear this out. It was his roll, his identity, and perhaps even his raison d'être, and seen by his deadly accuracy and presence on the court during most 4th quarters last year. This year, when he's even on the court, he's not receiving quite the same quality of good looks as he did last year. This could just be from normal adjustments, but more of it is him being asked to be a ball handler, Yao's increased high-post time (decreasing double-teams to kick out of), and the overall disjointed nature of the offense at this point.

    Tracy McGrady would play off of Yao last year as well, making for a nice tandem on pick-and-rolls and kick-outs. When double-teamed, he'd feed Yao and when Yao was double-teamed, he'd be there to either bury the long jumper or make the extra pass to an open teammate. When Yao was out of the game he'd penetrate (not as much as we'd all like, I'm sure) and score or dish (usually to Chuck Hayes) for the easy bucket. This year, I don't think even T-Mac knows his role. Granted he has the elbow injury, but he typically looks hesitant and lost as well most of the time. He needs the freedom to make choices, sure, but he also needs be aware of what role is needed out of him, and when - playmaker or scorer? Driver or jumpshooter? I don't think he has that identity this year.

    Even heady players like Battier and Hayes don't seem to be nearly as certain in their roles this year. Sure, they still do all of the hustle things that they will always do and Battier will set up in the corner for his 3 point attempts and Chuck will make good hard cuts to the basket for the occasional easy lay-up, but they both lack the certainty they seemed to play with last year. As these players are mostly about intangibles, so, I'm afraid are my feelings about them with respect to this...it's more a feeling I get from watching them than anything you'll find on the stat sheets.

    I honestly don't know the solution to this problem, but it is a problem. I suppose it's possible that it's just taking time for the Adelman system to get implemented, but from what I've seen so far I'm not sure his system is right for our current mix of players. His slow implementation of his offense and experimentation with a few plays here and there is leaving many players, and the team as a whole, a bit confused and uncertain about just what is expected of them. That tentative nature simply will not win many ballgames. I'm willing to give Adelman a bit more time before calling for his head, but he hasn't inspired any confidence in me just yet and may not until his team and players can forge an identity of some sort.
     
  17. ROCKETABBAS1

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    this team needs a serious overhaul. i'll give this BS 5 more games, and if we don't shape up, then some players, or coach, have to go.
     
  18. dadesokan

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    JVG is actually was underated as a coach. He is way better than RA. A good coach looks at the players abilities, evaluates it properly and designs his plays offensively and defensively around their strengths, not the other way around.

    RA assumed that JVGs line up could run his offense, thats is why we are losing. Its the same team as last year with some additions. Heat did not start out with Wade, but rockets have no excuse, YAO and MAC are really healthy, and we are still struggling to get 100 points. Scola is coming into his own, but this team cohesive right now.

    Maybe we really need a PG and a 2 guard, cause TMAC seems to always look to post up to get the ball, I think he is really more confortable playing the 3 like melo. He can attack the basket quicker from there.

    This is just really frustrating. Where do we go from here?
     
  19. TMc1

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    I am missing Jeff right now. At least, he gave the team a solid defense, which might give us a chance to win at the crunch time when our offense is ugly. At least he puts disciplines to the team and make his team play as he arranged in his “BIG CARDS” rather than leave them shoot randomly without any responsibility. Our offense is improving but we keep losing games right because we lost our defense and disciplines. I even began to doubt that they're still practicing as hard as JVG time. Aldeman is known as a player coach, which means he gave his players freedom and encourage them to play with their talents instead of forcing them to do what he likes, but is there too much freedom in on the team now? What's the point to have a coach? Why do we loss all the games at key moment when the scores are close?
    P.S. I didn't expect Aldeman is as stubborn as JVG.
     
  20. Verbatim

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    I am so glad I purposefully missed watching this game.

    I would have been throwing thing at my 50inch plasma if I actually watched our PG take back to back 3pt airballs. It would have been ugly.

    I am going to "miss" games until I can read some good news. I watch my favorite team to win with them, not watch them fall apart in the 4th...every stinking game. Life is tough enough already and if I am taking a break from it, I don't need more downers man.

    Let's hope that the number won't reach double digits. That should sign the death sentence for Rafer BUT with RA, it might not do it. PATIENTS right? SURRRRRRE THING BOSS MAN.

    Meanwhile, in the rest of the not too bad Western Conferense, the powerhouses continue.

    I will say that the Rockets won't make that push to be playoffs contenders until there is another PG. If not Steve, WTF get Brooks in there. And Scola will start before soon.

    And if these first 13 games are ANY indication, (and I really hope not), that lottory pick is going to be pretty high. I just hate this but I need my sanity and it's not coming from watching the Rockets lose...in the 4th quarter.... in a game they could win. No sure-re.

    P.S. call me a bandwagener, call me whatever, but I really love this team but I am no diehard to watch them lose. And no way to watch the PG do s$$t on the court.
     

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