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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Heat 1/30/2005

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets2K, Jan 30, 2005.

  1. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Member

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    :rolleyes:

    Yeah, let's have JVG's head!

    Do you watch the games? We PnR or SnR with Yao at least a dozen times a game; he had at least 3 midrange jumpers today because of it.

    Care to list any half decent centers than Phil Jackson has coached who played a non-low post game? Luc Longley? Will Perdue?
     
  2. gotoloveit2

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    What are you? A lawyer. I guess you have to say outright gotoloveit2 is a YOF. You sure didn't say never, neither do I. When I said you could count all of Sura's passes to Yao per game in one hand, ON AVERAGE, I guess that meant never to you because you got no fingers left in your hand. :mad: Why the hell you responded to my post with the above statement, if you weren't implying me a YOF.

    I guess I could have said only a loser can't make valid points but labeling people, and I wasn't implying about you either. :rolleyes:
     
  3. JPM0016

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    Just stop now
     
  4. gotoloveit2

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    As a matter of fact, I loved it. Unfortunately that was more of a anomaly than a regular play for Yao so far in the season.:(
     
  5. gotoloveit2

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    Agreed.
     
  6. dsmack

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    I say get rid of that no good coach van gundy and that ball hog sura!
     
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    JVG still have not developed a technique to make teams pay for fronting Yao. I don't think they even practice or attempted to make teams pay for that. They're too afraid to pass it to Yao because they're afraid of turning over the ball. The only one player that isn't afraid of passing the ball to Yao when he's fronting is McGrady. I seen McGrady lob it over to Yao when he had the chance....but other players don't even try to do it. Other players are too afraid to take the risk...not MTac though..so that's what i like about him and I point this out because i think other players should do what Tmac did....lob it in to Yao when you get the chance and stop hesitating because that's when the window is shut. WHen it's opened...lob it in!!! Don't waste time.

    Also i think they should do more of TMac and Yao pick and roll and let Yao shoot from 15 feet everytime cuz like i said before, Yao is a good shooter and will dominate with that jump shot. There is no doubt they're going to double Tmac w/ that pick and roll with Yao. And so there is no doubt Yao will get 15 feet look everytime. But the problem is Yao is told not to shoot the damm ball...go figure!
     
  8. reptilexcq

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    Why do they even want Yao to post up when the double teaming isn't doing anything. Look how many assist does Yao get per game?? It's pathetically LOW!!! So that means his post game isn't working!!! SO why not let the man shoot from outside more.....
     
  9. NIKEstrad

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    I'll agree Yao got the ball for the jumper a bit more, but at the same time, a lot of it has to do with what JayZ has been saying.

    Yao comes off that screen a lot not looking at the ball or the passer (sometimes by design, to free someone with a pick away from the ball). It's fairly well documented that Yao doesn't react to the ball particularly well, so if you're the passer and he's not looking at you, do you make that pass? I don't.

    We saw in the game today where he came off the screen just in poor position to receive the ball. There was also a screen with TMac and Yao which freed Yao to having Keyon Dooling on him in the 2nd quarter, and instead of going straight up or to the basket, Yao sort of fell away from the basket. I just really don't see it as a case of the guards or JVG "freezing out" Yao.

    I think the Padgett play a couple games ago may have the coach working with him more on this. I'd watch the next 5 games and see if it we go to it more and more.

    Side note: This was the 4th game this season in which Yao had more assists than turnovers.
     
  10. gotoloveit2

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    Do you really think Yao would intentionally not looking for a pass if he knows that's part of the play. I'm in total agreement that Yao's reaction times, reflexes or whatever you call it, isn't the best in the world for 7'6" guy. But I truely believe JVG's scheme of offensive style has much to do with it, so was Sura's inability to make decisive passes to Yao to the point that now they don't even try to look for each other.
     
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    I think it has to do with Yao taking more outside jumpers than wrestling down low and getting his ball stripped than anything else.
     
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    That's in this game. Shaq certainly earned his reputation on more than 11 FGA/game in his prime.
     
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    The Heat also traded away 2 starters and one key player for Daddy, and they RELOADED in one season.

    I fully blame CD and JVG for this mess. They could have got Damon Jones and thought that he was not that good. Jones could easily be our lead guard for sure and then we are set at 1!:p
     
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    People complaining about people complaining about Yao not getting enough shots need to take note that Shaq is 26 in the league in Field goals attempted while Yao is not even in the top 50.

    Or you can ignore that and not let facts get in the way of defending Sura aka Poor Man's Francis and his wonderous passing ability or should I say lack thereof.

    Facts, gotta love 'em. :)
     
  15. NIKEstrad

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    Damon Jones is an excellent shooter and good scorer, but he's not even the playmaker that Bob Sura is. The Heat can get away with it because of Wade; we would not be any better off. Wade going from a good player to a superstar has a huge amount to do with the Heat's success as well.

    Further, Jeff has posted several times that his sources have said Jones isn't a Rocket more because of his own personal preference than the Rockets'.
     
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    Jones wouldnt necessarily have to play the point. Sura could continue to do that and Jones could play the 2 and then the Rockets bring Wesley off the bench. (I am assuming Jones makes about the same money as Charlie Ward)
     
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    I agree. But we did have a busy offseason as well. I thought we should have made one more deal during the summer, and I am still hoping for one before the deadline.

    I wouldn't say the Heat fully reloaded, because I doubt they really wanted Haslem as their starting PF, but he has played extremely well for them.
     
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    Patricia Bender reports Jones to have signed 2 year 5.1 mill deal, with the 2nd year being a player opt (meaning, he can be a FA this offseason if you're still interested).

    Sura, Wesley, Jones would be a pretty small guard rotation. Contrast that with Miami having Rasual Butler and Shandon Anderson at the wings plus Dooling coming off the bench to complement the Wade-Jones backcourt.

    Further, with Jones signing for about 2.4 mill for this season, he and Sura would be an either/or proposition. Hoopshype reported Sura at 3.2 mill, with the rest of the MLE going to Ward. So unless you think Sura would have accepted about 22% less than what he got, we would not have been able to sign both Sura and Jones.

    I take Sura over Jones without too many qualms.
     
  19. Charvo

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    I don't see Yao doing that on this team. Yao better face up to the fact that change is good especially if he wants to elevate his game. The dude is getting criticized by Jack Ramsay now.
     
  20. KeepKenny

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    I laughed my ass off when Yao threw a beautiful lob to Tmac for the easy 2. No hesitation, just a catch and lob to the perfect position.

    It's not just the passers that are the root of the problem, though. From the few times we have tried to lob it to Yao, he has shown that he is not very good at catching the lob. It's like he's stuck in mud, and he goes after the ball too late. I imagine he's being held a lot of the time, but he has not shown that he can catch it and finish effectively.
     

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