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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Heat 1/26/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 26, 2004.

  1. oliver_67

    oliver_67 Member

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    Don't compare Yao to Hakeem. The rules on D are totally different now and then. When Dream was in his prime, you were not able to double team a player without the ball. Last night the Heat was basically triple teaming Yao (to prevent him get the ball) with a guy fronting him, one player at the weak side, and one player at the top of the key harrassing the passer. JJ, SF, and Cat got open looks all night and were able to make anything. When your perimeter guys are 7-15 (20%) from the floor and your opponents were 50% from the floor, you don't expect to win any games.
     
  2. Blatz

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    SPLASH!!

    The sound of some jumping ship.
     
  3. scotia

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    let us doing math
    7 of 34, = 20.5% shooting by JJ +Cat+SF = lost

    That says all
     
  4. oliver_67

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    My bad. Our perimeter guys were 7-35 for 20% from the floor last night. At least half of the shots were from wide open looks.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I explained them away to illustrate the fallacy that Francis was bombing perimeter jumpers all night long.

    He took 2, he missed 2.

    Jackson took 9 and missed 8

    End of story.

    Put that turnover bullsh-t in a thread where it belongs, there are hundreds of millions of them...it has no relevance to the issue of who was missing perimeter shots last night.

    It has no relevance to that particular issue, yet you brought it up anyway....I guess you need an excuse to bash.
     
  6. ragingFire

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    Very weak!
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Oh, the irony.
     
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    We would have won if they could make 50% of 34. It would be a tie at the end of fouth quater if they shoot at 41% of 34.

    Hi, Rox: Just practice more wide open shots.
     
  9. annthuyn

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    Yeah, stupid loss, but i'm sick of people bringing up the trade talks again. have you seen how well we've been playing for the past few weeks? 3 games in 4 days..

    we're going to bounce back. quit hating
     
  10. haven

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    The problem is more simple than some here think.

    They weren't going to let Yao beat them.

    Fine, that means open jumpers. Players didn't hit them, partly because they collectively had an off night... but the deeper problem is a lack of good shooters.

    Solution: get some damned jump shooters.
     
  11. desihooper

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    That might have been the worst officiating crew I have seen all year. They lost total control of the game early on, and it was evident. Three games in four nights on the road also took its toll on the Rockets jump shooters. It's times like those that the bench players have to step up and give you a lift. Guys like Padgett, Pike, and Boki all could have been used to knock down some of the 11 shots that JJ missed on a rare off-night for him. Maybe they'll get some rest tonight, avoid the Super Bowl parties and get ready for the game against the Kings. Another big test.
     
  12. DreamWeaver

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    I thought we did.

    Pike & JJ.

    I just can't believe how badly we shot last night. It is really unacceptable for a NBA SF or SG to miss so many wide open jump shots. Did they all party too hard after the Magic game? :mad:
     
  13. jshabang

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    Usually I'd panic after a loss...but....I'm not gonna do that

    The Rocks have been playin possesed the past couple of weeks so this is a hiccup in my opinion.........

    Also 3 games in 4 nights....they didn't have there legs and Mihami was out of there minds.........

    When a teams hittin full court shots(Caron), circus shots(Skip to my lou Rafer Alston), Fall aways from the baseline behind the backboard(Eddie jones), and a pot head bombin threes like hes Larry Bird(Do I even need to say??)............You're pretty much doomed....Mihami couldn't play like that agin if there lives depended on it

    Also it did kind of look like a tank job towards the end......Van Gundy and the Rocks were in strikin distance(like within 12 points) with about 6 minutes to play and Van Gundy Clears the Bench like it already over...plus he benched YAO most of the 4th

    That didn't make a whole lot of sense in my opinion....this is the NBA...I've seen teams score 8 to 10 points in 30 seconds let alone 6 minutes......I think JVG tanked last night also

    ;) :p :eek: :confused:
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Absolutely.

    Rice sucked, but he was better than Pike.
     
  15. Visagial

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    I agree completely, if the problem is outside shooting and fatigue and you've guys on the bench who can shoot and run, why not play them? JVG is not very innovating.

     
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    ... and you base that on ?
    This year's stat? Last year stat? Or ... hot air?
     
  17. daoshi

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    I didn't watch the game, but can anyone explain to me why Yao only played less than 30 minutes? Was him very ineffective? SIX(6) rebounds seem too low even for <30 minutes, but then there wasn't many rebounds to catch since the Heats made 50+% of their shots, I guess!:mad:

    Why did Yao only take 9 shots? Was him always double teamed all game long? I thought the Rockets have figured out how to beat that by moving the ball, and pulling him away from the paint?:confused:

    What happened to our proud defense, especially the on-ball defense? How could we let them shot 50%+? That's the Heats, the worst shooting team in the league.:confused: :mad:


    --daoshi
     
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  18. SamFisher

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    Huh? No, I based it on reality:

    Glen Rice 2002-03: FG% 42.9 3PT% 39.8 eFG% 54.0

    Eric Piatkowski 2003-04:FG% 35.7 3PT%35.9 eFG% 46.8

    Let's see, two jump shooting players, one of which hits for a higher FG%, shoots better from 3, and has a higher Effective FG%.....I wonder who would have been considered "better"...Are you going to come up with some qualifier like you did before like "Piatkowski sets better screens than Rice!!!"

    Nice try, bro.
     
  19. ragingFire

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    You must be from a cuckoo's farm if that is your reality.

    Pike:
    YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    02-03 LAC 62 26 21.9 .471 .398 .828 .70 1.80 2.50 1.1 .53 .15 .90 1.50 9.7
    03-04 HOU 26 0 17.4 .352 .359 .929 .20 1.40 1.70 .5 .38 .15 .69 1.20 5.0

    Rice:
    YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    02-03 HOU 62 26 24.7 .429 .398 .759 .50 2.00 2.50 1.0 .37 .08 .89 1.60 9.0
    03-04 LAC 18 0 14.6 .289 .179 1.000 .50 1.80 2.30 1.3 .33 .00 .72 1.20 3.7

    Try to match the date if you can. It would be the 1st rule of reality! ;)
     
  20. oliver_67

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    I watched the game last night. Yao played ok. Because of Heat's tight double team, he was not able to get the ball although he got good positions. And I guess that Yao was not confident in his outside shots (last night) because he passed a couple of opportunities from outside.

    JVG sat him the last 6 min because he believed that we did not have the chance to win the game. A good argument can be made that our players were really tired. They were one step slow the whole game. And I guess that the team spent all their energy in the first half.

    JVG did not bench Yao because of poor play. He benched Yao right after Yao grabbed an offensive rebound and made a dunk. The Rockets just did not have the legs to make a final push and JVG wanted to save Yao for the game against the Kings on Wed.
     

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