ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 11/7/2006

Yao rolled his ankle last game. Someone hit his eye this game.

 

Yao rolled his ankle????
noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

I thought it was broken again. JK. Don't Kill me plz

 

Yao's rebound rate and percentage has been stronger throughout his career than Hayes's has throughout his.


Yet Hayes is a great rebounder on this forum and Yao is a horrible one.


Hayes IS a very good rebounder and Yao is a better one somehow the fantasy stats geeks never bring that up.

Since Hayes is such a good rebounder and everyone here acknowldges that why is it that an even better one like Yao is always being criticised for his rebounding?

 

Juwan was bad in the few minutes he played, so slow rotating, gave Griz four points because of that, he did fed Yao once pretty good though.

 

Oh my goodness. I came over to join the celebration of the win but instead found you guys yelling at one another. May be I have picked the wrong time. Better run now. See you guys tomorrow.

 

I agree. And it's not that he's a "p***y" as some say, and it's not that he can't rebound. He just has lapses in focus. JVG just said as much in his post-game interview (in reference to some of his fouls). When Yao's mind is engaged, he can grab rebounds like crazy, but sometimes he just stands flat-footed under the basket and responds to the ball too late.

 

He's coming off months where he could not train, he isn't in shape yet.


It has nothing at all to do with lack of focus.

 

Because Hayes is overachieving relative to his potential and Yao is underachieving.

 

now 3 blocks is definitely > 3 rebounds (note: blocks leads to a rebound and make sure dude don't come back inside)

 

How are you defining "rebound rate" and "percentage", out of curiosity?

 

Some of you people are crazy.

Did we not just have like a 34-win season?

Have we not had our butts kicked by Dallas for the last 2-3 years?

Did not the Grizzlies sweep us last year?

Is not every NBA team talented and can keep games close if not win on any given night (e.g. Atlanta beat Cleveland tonight, Portland beat Seattle several nights ago, the Suns are 1-3)?

Newsflash: We're 2 and 2.

Newsflash: The two teams that beat us are still undefeated.

Newsflash: Umm, the Rockets are doing fine.

 

Dude. Your basketball IQ is starting to read negative.

 

LOL, good catch durv but if you haven't figured out you're wasting your time by now, stop whipping up the troll feed.....

 

Hornets are on drugs!!!!! and Jazz are on steroids too..... Boozer avging 12rbs..... Man I do believe we're doing fine!!

OKAY for now, let's all shut it - no argument from now until the end of Spurs game. Since Spurs are still the Spurs, if we beat them well, it means, ROX ROCKS!!!! And NO MORE criticising (unless is to JVG). But if we lose, by >6pts, it means ROX in trouble!!!

 

i beliv he meant per 48 min rate

 

I'm basing it on his performance versus the opposing big and also on the amount of rebounds available per possession.


Hayes is definitely based on this very good in rebounding but guess what?


"Poor rebounding" Yao is better.


and guess what else?

"Old washed up over the hill" Mutombo is even better than Yao.


One of the things people seem to forget about rebounding is effiency there too.

Moses Malone was not really a 16 per game type rebounder, he just liked to pass 4 rebounds a game to himself and it really doesn't hurt the FG% much either.

But people don't even consider that.

Now as far as tipping rebounds and the complainst here about that I AGREE and it pisses me off when people praised and defended Battier for that.

That's weak a$$ BS


BUT it's obviously just because Yao is still getting his wind back THAT'S ALL

give him a few weeks he will be getting about 11-12. The lack of wind is also affecting the fouls which in turn causes him to not be able to as hard for the board etc.

it's not actually anything at all related to not being able to get the 12 rebounds a night so just calm the F down.

Besides that's what Hayes is supped to do anyway, that's his job.

Does it really matter if out of 25 rebound opportunities Yao gets 8 and Hayes gets 12 or Yao gets 12 and Hayes gets 8 or both get 10?

No, unless you are one of these fan obsessed fans that cares more about player individual stats that wins.

I swear reading this forum so far this early year the fans of the Rockets are sounding more and more like the Kobe versus Shaq fans in LA.

 

Summary: A sloppy game with high turnovers , but a win is a win

Tmac is slowly getting there, no need to push the panic alarm yet. It was good to see him attacking the basket again instead of settling for long range jump shot. Encouraging to see his free throws percentage is up. He' ll be fine.

Yao, Seems a little winded, but still produced a good game. His tipping softly on rebounds seems to be a combination of playing conservatively , by avoiding fouls and being tired. He'll be fine , once he's in shape and stay out of foul trouble, he will grab those rebounds with authority and jockey for better position

Hayes, a solid game for him. He brings energy and rebounds. Always a plus. He deserves the minutes.

Battier, Mr. consistency with a smart BBall IQ. He helps the team hell of alot more than hurt it.

Alston, an ok game tonite, force some bad passes and a silly bonehead foul with time running out in the half. But, leave him alone, stop the hating, he's doing ok at the point and the best we got, so live with it.

Snyder, made some bone head mistakes, stupid fouls and turnover in this game, but he'll be back. I like his energy and the way he attack the basket.

Head, not a good game for him, but i like him on the floor.

Side note : I would like to see Novak get his minutes, when yao is on the floor, it provides space for Yao and the 3 point threat that we need to keep the defense honest. Come on JVG , make that happen.

 

Pretty much spot on on everything and I agree.

As far as Novak goes I guess both he and Spanoulis just won't be playing this year.

JVG is starting his same BS crap again.

 

Hayes grabs a higher percentage of the rebounds when he's the floor than Yao. Those are the facts - last season, and so far this season. Obviously, you're referring to something else.

I'm not sure what you mean by "performance versus the opposing big and also on the amount of rebounds available per possession." When you referred to it as "rebound rate", that implies something that's measurable. Is what you describe measurable?

Perhaps the best way to determine who's the more effective rebounder is to consider the impact on team rebounding when either are in the game. Hard to draw strong conclusions on that, though, since Hayes didn't play a lot of minutes against great competition yet.

I think Yao is very good at rebounding in his area because of his height and strong base. Yao doesn't chase rebounds well, though. Hayes, on the other hand, is a very mobile rebounder who depends on his quickness and anticipation. But he's small, and he struggles sometimes battling for rebounds against bigger players.