ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 10/24/2007 (PRESEASON)

Hayes spent most of the series guarding Okur. He did spend some time guarding Boozer as well. Hayes did a sensational job guarding both players. Whoever Hayes guarded didn't fair too well.

 

Basketball=defense+ offense.

Now tell us what had Hayes done on offense ?

 

I hate to be nitpicky but I work for a magazine that frequently publishes articles from various lawyers and judges, so I often get to edit their stuff. As sad as it sounds, especially for a profession in which distinct language is such a priority, the truth is that lawyers CANNOT WRITE. So whatever might be wrong with the guy's posts, his grammar and spelling don't necessarily mean he isn't a lawyer

Sorry, back to the basketball stuff...

 

Dude Rebounds Per Minute??? Are you serious???

I doubt Rodman ever worried about Rebounds Per Minute..

You know why?

He played the entire game.

Just because Chuck Hayes grabs a couple of rebounds the 20-25 minutes he's in the game doesn't make him good.

If Chuck Hayes was really a talent we wouldn't pull him out of the game so much.

Chuck Hayes is not a "top tier" rebounder.

And if you are going to be a crutch on offense you better be. i.e. Dennis Rodman

Thats why I don't like the guy...

No other team in the league would be happy with Chuck Hayes as their starting Power Forward....

Including Tracy McGrady:


Columnist Richard Justice on Rockets

May 8, 2007, 12:18AM
Standing pat not the way to improve

By RICHARD JUSTICE
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle
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I sometimes get the feeling Tracy McGrady says what he thinks he's supposed to say
instead of what he actually believes. On Monday, some truth slipped out.

At least I think that's what happened. I actually have no idea why he'd throw a teammate under the bus the way he did. Maybe that's his definition of leadership.

It happened when McGrady was asked one of those routine questions about what the Rockets could do to improve. He could have said a dozen different things that would have offended no one. He could even have said that he needed to get better.

Instead, he pointed a finger at perhaps the hardest-working, most decent player on the team — power forward Chuck Hayes.

"I think we've got to add a couple of pieces to our team — athleticism at the four (power forward) position," he said.

Ouch. He also said the Rockets needed a backup point guard and "another guy who can create when I'm out of the game." Those are safe, vague recommendations. Those recommendations hurt no one.

Question of heart
He's right that the Rockets need a better power forward. They also need a starting point guard and a lot more depth. They've got more needs than they're likely to fill in one offseason.

But their No. 1 need would be for Hayes to transfer some of his heart to McGrady. If all the Rockets had more Chuck Hayes in them, they would have spent Monday dealing with the Golden State Warriors instead of answering questions about an uncertain offseason.

Let's begin the postmortem there. It'll lead into a discussion of Jeff Van Gundy's future, but first a word about McGrady.

Of all the things that should be troubling the Rockets about their playoff loss to the Utah Jazz, McGrady's name is atop the list.

No one can argue with his numbers (25.3 points, 7.3 assists and 5.9 rebounds per game in the playoffs). No one can argue that the Rockets need to get better players around him.

McGrady must take charge
But it would also be hard to argue that he's going to be the guy to lead the Rockets to a championship based on his playoff performances in 2005 and 2007.

Against Utah, Games 6 and 7 were there to be won. McGrady failed to deliver either time. And let's be clear about this: It's on him.

That's who he's supposed to be. That's why the Rockets wanted him in the first place. They believed he'd take over games the same way Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan did. He wants to be considered alongside Tim Duncan, Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant, but so far he hasn't delivered the way those guys have.

Instead, he settled for jump shots when he should have been relentless in the paint to force the action. He made no plays on the defensive end, either. Except for Game 5, he didn't change the outcome.

McGrady said all the right things Monday about the hurt he felt and about gearing up for another run next season. Those are just words. The Rockets are kidding themselves if they're not looking at McGrady differently these days.

Lots of work for Morey
Three years ago, they were convinced that placing McGrady beside Yao Ming would create the foundation of a championship team. They now know they need much more. They need more players who care as much as Hayes cares. They need players willing to penetrate the lane and create plays. They need players capable of knocking down clutch shots. They need quickness, too.

McGrady and Yao may yet be part of a championship team, but it won't happen if the Rockets don't add toughness, speed and perimeter offense.

They can't be looking at Rafer Alston and Luther Head the same way, either.

Neither produced in the playoffs. Kirk Snyder played his way out of the playoff rotation.

In Daryl Morey's first offseason as general manager, he has a laundry list of work to do and little salary-cap room. If you're thinking McGrady should be traded, you're not living in the real world. Trading McGrady would mean taking two or three bad contracts from someone else. In effect, the Rockets would be starting over.

What will Van Gundy do?
That's where Van Gundy enters the picture. I'm guessing he won't return to the Rockets.

That's nothing more than a guess, because he isn't saying. I spent a half-hour in his office Monday afternoon and came away with a picture of a guy truly torn about coaching.

"I love basketball, but I hate what it does to me," he said at one point.

He's a terrific coach, honest with his players, conscientious and strategically sound.

The Rockets probably won't hire anyone better, though visions of Larry Brown surely are dancing in Leslie Alexander's head.

It's true that a split developed between Alexander and Van Gundy last summer, but it's unlikely their differences will have anything to do with whether Van Gundy stays or goes.

His decision likely will be based on two things. First, does he want to continue to coach? Can he deal with a life in which he frets over the victories and is tortured by the losses? There will be other factors, but deciding if he has had enough of coaching seems to be the most important factor.

There are two lesser considerations. One involves Morey himself. He's a rookie executive on every level. He and Van Gundy don't know one another well enough to have a relationship.

Finally, there's the roster.

Could someone else get more out of McGrady and Yao? Van Gundy said he wants to think that through. He wants to consider if those players would respond to a new voice.

In the end, the Rockets will remain competitive even with a new coach. Hiring the right coach would be monumentally important, but it's still about the players. It's about McGrady. It's about his ability to get it.

richard.justice@chron.com



NOW MY ROCKETS FRIENDS.

YOU THINK MCGRADY AND MOREY HAVE FORGOTTEN THIS AFTER THE MOST DISAPPOINTING MOMENT OF TMACS CAREER.

HELL NO

THE PROBLEM IS STILL THERE

THERE WILL BE A TRADE

THE ROCKETS DO NOT WANT CHUCK FREAKIN HAYES TO BE THEIR STARTING POWER FORWARD

NO ONE WANTS CHUCK HAYES TO THEIR STARTING POWER FORWARD

SOME OF YOU ARE SO BLINDED BY THE OPTIMISM OF A NEW SEASON AND A DECENT PRESEASON BY A VET (RAFER ALSTON) THAT YOU FAIL TO REMEMBER WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE HEAT GETS TURNED ON FOR REAL AND THE SEASON STARTS

PRESEASON BASKETBALL DONT MEAN SH#T!



OH YEAH AND ALL I REMEMBER ABOUT CHUCK HAYES GUARDING OKUR IN THE UTAH IS THIS:

OKUR FOR THRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! SWISH.

AS A GUY WHO NORMALLY HAS NO ROLE IN UTAH'S OFFENSE WENT OF FOR 16-11

WHAT DID OUR BOY CHUCK DO IN 28 MIN. OF PLAY

FOUR FREAKIN POINT AND TWO FU##ING REBOUNDS

GAME 7.

OH AN WAFER CHIPPED IN WITH 11PTS 4 AST. AS TMAC FACILITATED THE OFFENSE BECAUSE RAFER CANT DO IT...

THE TRUTH IS IN NUMBERS AND ACTIONS.

NOT IN MEDIA AND PRESEASON BASKETBALL...

"A WISE MAN ONCE TOLD ME DON'T ARGUE WITH FOOLS....PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CAN'T TELL WHO IS WHO"

IM GOING BACK THE THE GROWN UP TABLE...

YOU KIDS MAKE SURE YOU CLEAN UP THIS MESS YOU LEFT AT THIS FISHER PRICE TABLE. ERRR...MESSAGE BOARD

 

If that's all you remember about the Utah series you've clearly forgotten most of a seven game series, so your comments on it, don't really mean much.

 

That is definitely a fair criticism of Chuck Hayes. He can't create his own shot, and can't shoot from the outside. He is not a player that will really have any offensive plays drawn for him, because of his lack of offense.

However he does make smart cuts to the baskets, get offensive rebounds allowing the Rockets to score again, and so he isn't a total liability.

All in all I would love to have Hayes come off the bench rather than start.

But that doesn't mean he sucks, or got lit up in the Utah series, or some of the other nonsense being thrown around here.

 

Someday, someone's going to write a post that's going to take up one full page. I believe that day is coming soon.

 

ALL I REMEMBER ABOUT CHUCK HAYES' DEFENSE....

GENIUS...

CHUCK HAYES GAME SEVEN 4PTS 2 REBOUNDS 28 MIN...

HE'S GOT MY VOTE FOR THE HALL

IF HIS STORY WASN'T SO INSPIRING HE'D BE IN THE SAME HOUSTON DOG HOUSE WITH:

DAVE CLARK AND DEREK BELL...

"GET YOUR WEIGHT UP! NOT YOUR HATE UP"

 

truth.

who to blame?

incapable role players with heart, Alston and Hayes?

or

overrated superstars who had not enough heart to win?


"It is on me"......just a lie?

 

As I said. You are showing you have a faulty memory.

At best you remember only 1/7 of a basketball playoff series. Others might remember all of it including the 6/7(vast majority)of the series that you seem incapable of remembering.

The fact that you have starting type-yelling doesn't help either.

His story is only inspiring because he's good. I would rather have a starting power forward who's an all-star. We don't have that. It doesn't mean that Chuck Hayes sucks. Your lack of accurate memory, certainly doesn't lend credibility to your argument.

 

Yes my friend

But for the minutes he's getting his defense and rebounding should be better..

Like I said before.

The only way for him to compensate for his lack of offense is if he was a top 5 rebounder and a nba 1st or 2nd team all defense

Ben Wallace

Dennis Rodman

Since he is clearly not his lack of offensive production leaves more of a strain on our offensive players.

If I know a guy on the court cant shoot.

I would not hesitate to shy away and double up someone who can shoot it.

So not only does he take away from the offense by being on the floor alone

He also takes away from the offense because he stresses the other players offensive opportunities...

Thats why if you read that article I posted when McGrady was interviewed after the game seven loss

And his frustration left him more candid. He straight up called chuck Hayes out.

It's good if you are good at defense that all gravy, but if you suck at offense you are helping the other team be good a defense also by allowing them to cheat

Thus neutralizing your the initial reason you are on the court

Its like the Matrix...lol

Good Day

 

Hayes is good. Hayes should be enough if our superstars played like superstars. However, in reality, Hayes' contribution was not enough because the team needed more from PF other than defense.

TMAC and Yao need his heart.

 

damn


this noob reminds me of a mentally deficient MacBeth

the full game, prepost and the Insider season preview are all on the tracker, Ill start a thread soon with all links after the clips vid finishes encoding.

http://www.rocketredrockers.net:6969/index.html

 

Dude we can go 1-7 on Chucky here are his stats:
(w denotes game won; the rest of course are defeats)

4-9w
12-12w
0-7
4-4
0-6w
2-5
4-2

With that being said. Can you honestly tell me the Rox cant get better play out of a less than mediocre 4?

 

Considering his minutes, defense played, charges taken, etc. He did a good job most of the time.

Can we get better production from a less than mediocre 4? No

Chuck Hayes filled in nicely. A better 4 would be great, but he is at least average, if not slightly above.

 

Are you that parent that lets their physically disabled child play little league knowing that he isn't any good, and the other kids hate the fact he's on the team.

And you try to justify his presence by saying he's good at shortstop he just can't throw or catch???

And he tries hard.

Is that you??

 

Private messaging?

Rocket basketball?

 

You mean the ALL-STAR who normally has no role in Utah's offense? The guy who averaged 17.6 points in the regular season and saw it drop to 11? The guy who saw a 46.2% FG and a 38.4% 3PT drop to 35.443% and 27.0%, respectively? Yah. Chuck did a terrible job. By the way, caps lock is not your friend. It doesn't help disguise the horrible logic behind your posts.

Also, your previous post about physically disabled kids is in bad taste.

 

You are really being an ass, which I'm sure you are very aware of. Why you think coming here and playing the clown is something we might find amusing speaks more to your lack of intelligence than anything you're written, which is nothing we haven't read, again and again, ad nauseam. Do you really crave attention that much? Do you have issues you think can be worked out here in GARM? Whatever your reasons for "gracing us with your presence," you are losing any respect you may have an interest in (and your response will be that you have no interest in what we think of you) by the "**** you" style of your posts.

Oh, and your writing reminds me of a former member or two. I wonder who it might be. By the way, claiming to be an "insider" can be a dangerous thing. You have to provide real "inside information," not conjecture you hope will turn out to be true. It has to prove to be real. If it doesn't, you will be revealed as even more an idiot than your posts have shown you to be.

Cheers.

 

Injury replacements ALL-STAR...

and in CONTRAST to okur hayes sucked even harder.