ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Celtics 1/31/2005

You didn't answer my question, but I did get your answer. In fact, I kinda sensed that before I even asked. Applying your logic, any Rockets fan lives in Huston area is NOT qualified as a reasonable fan, not even a real fan, is NOT worthy offering any opinion regarding the Rockets, because it's all biased and shallow.

Thank you, that's all I wanted to know. It maybe indeed my fault to try to discuss with you. Please accept my apology. Hope you get some enjoyment out of a win every now and then.

 

No one ever denied this is true for some also.

If you followed the boards long enough and saw some of the trade proposals, you'd see some Rockets fans are incapable of valuing our players vs. those around the league.

And they get roasted for it just like anyone else. Sometimes by fellow Rockets fans, sometimes by guys like mfclark.

It's not really any different, except for the response of the original poster.

 

I want to know why you have such a heavy intrest in Yao Ming so much. You say you like him because of his humbleness and selfless amidst the me-first attitude in the NBA yet you focus on him more and root for him over another teammate. Don't you see the contradiction there. If Yao Ming is as selfess and different from the me-first guys, why are you a me-first Yao-first kind of fan. You think it makes it ok cause you come from the same city and country, i don't think so buddy. It wouldnt matter to me at all if you were not griping and complaining when the team is winning, I wouldnt give a damn. But when the team is winning and playing well as a group like last night and you are nitpicking and whining about Yao not getting this or getting that, where's the selfless fan to meet the selfless player in Yao? To have that connection with your guy is perfectly understandable. But when you come on here and whine and nitpick and complain when the guys are playing well together as a group, which they were last game, your connection with Yao as a countryman or a fella who shares your culture stands out and starts to take on a deeper meaning. And it is inconsiderate and not very manly thing to do to b**** and moan, like last game, after the Rockets as a team played so well.

 

Hey Texas Stroke,
Heres a thought, WHY DONT U RESPOND TO WHAT HE REALLY WROTE INSTEAD of making up stuff!

Please show us where in the last two pages has real egal posted that he wants Yao to succeed and his teammates not to. Please show where he says yao should succeed at the cost of the team? Please show us! Before calling him a "me-first Yao-first kind of fan" whatever the hell that is, wont u mind providing telling us how u came to such a conclusion??? I hope its not because Yao is his favorite player is it?? News Flash!@! Just because one has a fav player doesnt make it impossible to root for their teammates or the team... My god everyone has favorite players.. it doesnt make rooting for them selfish or contradictory to rooting for the team!

Do you have problems with reading comprehension? Or do u just like to see things that arent there? Please show us where REal Egal complains or whines about Yao not geting this or that, please show me where he whining or b****ing about Yao not getting his touchs... please!! ALl the dude said was that he notices that Sura could be a better passer and that he wish he had better court vision! Hello even SUra would admit that! IF that constitutes whining man.....

LOL i've never seen anyone b**** and whine about so little as you just did. Dude all he said was he thought sura could be better, its call constructive criticism, an observation. IF you dont think thats pretty much all he meant and posted plz show us diferently.

Every player should be criticized (reasonably) for their faults, thats how you improve! Just because the rockets win doesnt mean there should be no observation of what they did well or didnt do well! Hello u do realize this is a forum right?? You do know what a forum is for right??

 

Bob Sura is NOT capable of ballhogging - True.

 

Texas Stoke and real_egal -- time to get a room, you two.

 

Let put things in perspective. Even when Yao had a good game that we won, frequently there were still posters complaining about Yao was too soft, fumbled a particular pass, missed some obvious rebounds, picked up some stupid fouls, and so forth, and of which might be all true. Now when Sura had a decent game that we won, the same posters seemed to jump on anyone who dared to point out some of Sura's weaknesses, be it his erratic outside shooting touch, or subpar passing ability to our big man, all of which MIGHT ALSO be all true. They even went on further to question about your allegiance to the team, one's background without saying outright y'all must be Chinese or Asians, or whatever. If you think there's too much idiocies in this BBS, you'll definitely find hypocrisy not too far behind.

 

it's hypocrisy ONLY if it's the same people that both bash Yao after a good game and label sura bashers after a good game that we win, which i don't think is the case. maybe you can call out names to prove your point. and even if such people do exist, the best thing to do is use the ingore function.

 

Hi R2K, I always appreciate your efforts, since I never need to record the game on VCR any more. I downloaded every game video you provided and save them for the off season . Right now, I just want all of us enjoy the game 3 times or even more a week, and save the discussion for this summer. Man, 82+games, that would cost me a lot of DVD+Rs

 

here's my post from another recent thread, dealing with the most stupid concept i have ever read on such a great bulliten board but at the same time in recent years has a strong track record of ripping player to shreads

As i remember YOF is Yao ONLY Fan which means you can't also be a Houston or Rockets ONLY Fan, ONLY implies ONE thing

YOF implies you only follow and support Yao, which is ridiculous considering Basketball is a TEAM sport and not an individual event like Tennis or Golf.

To make matters worse YOF then think it is ok to criticise members of Yao's team he plays for if somehow they impact on Yao's performance...

It's a fricken team game get over it guys, if not stop bothering us and go support some swimmer or diver or golfer or tennis player..

More importantly how many of you have actually played the game?

Do you realise everytime a rockets player tries to feed/pass the ball to Yao there is at least two opposition player also involved so it is not as easy as it appears.... there is someone defender the passer who is working really hard to deflect the pass or even steal it and then there is also a defender on the all-mighty Yao who is battling really hard and often is smaller and with a lower centre of gravity and is able to push Yao out of position and is also reaching around with their lumbs to try to deflect or steal the pass and that is not even if the defender is trying to front Yao, which makes the pass even harder. And then don't forget Yao is 7"6' and a great focus of our offense such that there are usually one or two help defenders ready to pounce of post feeds or get great doubles on Yao when he catches the ball......

If you are still convinced your dillusions of Yao's teammates are deliberately not passing to Yao (even though all the players with have added all talked about how they were looking forward to playing with Yao and how important it is to have a inside outside game to win in the NBA), then show us proof, make a video clip of the incident and show us and we can decide rather than take the opinion of a fan supporting one player who is part of a TEAM game. Or if you can't make a clip then count the number of times players do pass to Yao and then count your stupid number of times players don't pass to Yao (for whatever inane conspiracy theory reason) and what you will find (i have done this) is Yao gets passes from his teammates plenty of times......

 

please don't let the facts get in the way of another YOF argument please R2K,... you are being completely sane and inappropriate

 

you have got to be fricken joking, really wish i could be bothered to read and smash this tripe earlier

 

Maybe it's a good idea to have a debat&discussion forum in the basketball section, just like the hangout section. There people (YOF, SOF, TOF or whatever) can debate without creating too much anger and frustration? Just a suggestion.

 

All the sudden Sura could do no wrong in this board. He is so valuable that we should build a team around him. You should only praise him, appreciate him if you want to be a REAL rockets fan. Otherwise, you are YOF! Hah.

Seriously, all ppl said was Sura playing great, but he made couple bad decisions during the game. He could have passed to Yao when Yao was wide open or had positions in several occasions.

This is not allowed in this board?

 

Actually, they said that Sura is a ball hog, a loser, and the Rockets would never win with him as a PG. All this while the Rockets were up 14 points. How can you argue with someone who doesn't care about wins or losses, only Yao's stats?

This is a Rocket's board, not a Yao Ming Board. He has his own BBS they can go cry about Sura to. I don't have a problem criticizing a player for his faults, but when the man plays on one knee, 9 fingers, and still racks up 10 assist.. the LAST thing I want to hear is how he "refused" to pass to Yao on a couple plays. That is ridiculous.

 

I don't wanna call out anyone in particular here. I don't enjoy too much in throwing out labeling people, unlike some of the more senior posters in this BBS. Couldn't you already see the obvious accusation of Sura bashers equating to YOFs in this thread.

Yao's shortcomings are well-known here . Many people are still ranting about them whenever they could, and I have NO problem with it. However, it's SOME of the same posters whenever anyone, who appears to be from certain backgrounds, be it the joining date, the broken English, or whatever, defends on Yao's behalf or criticizes now the golden boy, Bob Sura, they almost immediately start questioning your intelligence, your background, and pulling out the YOF labels. You tell me if this is hypocrisy or not.

 

As a matter of fact, only a very few here have used these terms, ballhog or loser, to describe Sura. Most were really only complaining about his erratic outside shots, poor court vision, lack of setting Yao up or complimenting to his games.

As far as playing with one knee and 9 fingers, many, even for those who have criticized Sura, so to speak, have shown appreciation for his hustle and heart on the floor. Much of the criticisms on Sura are not based on just last game. It's a pattern some of us have REPEATEDLY noticed. By all means, you could disagree, but please stop pulling out all these YOF labels so quickly. Sura could have played with no knees or fingers at all, and ended up with 10 TOs and we still won the game. Doesn't it mean that he is still untouchable as far as criticisms are concerned?

 

What's your PROBLEM with YOFs, you think they are all insane? Not an ounce of truth whatsoever in their statements? you have bigger brains and smarter than them? your Rockets tainted rose-colored glasses more objective than their Yao love? Seriously, you think it's all Yao's fault when he doesn't get the ball?

The anti-YOF guys are often as annoying on this board as YOFs.

 

There is reason why there are blue states and red states.

I call it AI.

Can we have a group hug?