ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Celtics 1/31/2005

I'd be a little more charged-up had we been losing but i have noticed the same thing, Sura just doesn't seem to pass to Yao very much for whatever reason (of which I can think of many valid reasons) It does seem a little awkward but other than that, I love what Sura has done with this team. I remember thinking that he couldn't have that much of an effect on the team, but he sure has proved me wrong, in spades.

Stuart

 

Whoa, you seriously are da man! Nothing like having lunch and being albe to watch all of those highlights.


To those who think that Sura has some sort of problem with Yao - and I know its just an insecure few who think there is something going on beyond the game - But take a look at Rockets2k highlights and at the 1:44 mark of the video, Yao pumps fakes and drives for the bucket, and Sura is the only Rocket who jumps up off the bench showing his pleasure.

I know its silly to even have to start looking for these little things and to point them out but its only right to counter the myth that Sura has a problem with Yao.

 

I have said this many times before too. Yao would be much more effective with a Kelvin Cato type of player besides him. Before anyone starts saying craps like a great player wouldn't need another player to make him great, Yao is not great, at least not yet, that's why he needs help.

 

Excellent point about his conditioning. It still isn't where we'd all like to see it (being spoiled with years of Dream's bottomless reserves of energy), but it is defintely better. Couldn't agree more with your second point. I think we're improving there, as well.





Keep GARM Readable!!

 

I never question people's motives on anything, coz I can never prove, so I will be putting myself in a no-win position. Baing in Canada, it's not very easy to catch a Rockets game on TV. Last night, I was lucky and watched the whole game. I have to admit that passing ability is a big problem of Sura. In the first half, watching T-Mac, Wesley, Barry, Pedget threw passes to Yao, for easy dunks and short jumpers was really enjoyable. There are risks in any passes, and there are risks in any shots. Just by saying to avoid the risk won't cut it.

I am not sure if you guys noticed one incident in the second quarter (?), where Deke was under the basket alone, no soul within 3 feet, he was waving and dancing like a mad man for about 3 seconds, Sura dribbled along the left side, looked at Deke all the time, hesitating and hesitating, finally he decided to throw a half height pass, at the time one defender finally realized that how open Deke was, tried to recover. Instead of an easy dunk, Deke ended up with free throws. All is fine, no demage done. Another incident, second quarter, Yao almost got a long offensive rebound, Sura bumped him, none of them got it. Fourth quarter, Deke jumped to reach a defensive rebound, three Rockets insight, Sura jumped and bumped Deke, no harm done, Deke still got the board. Rewind to third, Yao was in the paint, try to seal off and block defenders to open up a lane for guard's penertration, Sura drived, defense recovered, nowhere to go, instead of just put in Yao's hand for a dunk (literally put, no enough distance for passing), he kicked out to Wesley for a brick. Fourth quarter again, Yao sealed off defender, Sura got the offensive board, to close to Yao, if he shoots, he had to shoot over Yao, TOO RISKY, definitely, he drove out, kicked to another side for a three, which is converted. Probably, he forgot there was another option, namely, put it in Yao's hands for an easy dunk. Yes, put, no pass. Again, he's a great hustle guy. But sometimes your biggest strength could be your biggest weakness. He tries hard, sometimes in my opinion too hard, just lost the big picture of the whole game. We need some court vision at 1.

I want to comment on one thing someone here mentioned about the risk to pass to Yao when he's pushed hard from behind. Of course, there is risk to pass when he's fronted. The only logical conclusion would be, only if, yes, ONLY when there is no soul within 3 feet from Yao, it would be a safe pass. Then again, I want to laugh when I think of that Deke dancing and waiving scene.

Sura's pass, or better to say lackof, to the low post is a big problem. maybe not in Atlanta, but we happen to have a big man in the middle, who the coaches want to convert to a low post threat. Then again, he's a great energy hustle player, who gives 110% night in and night out on a bad knee. But, I hate to admit, sometimes I DO miss Steve.

 

rox lose, rox win, its always the same old ****ing complaints...

 

Real_egal, real nice post.
It's just so ridiculous that JVG is so satisfied with his play although Sura doe not pass the ball to Yao compared with what JVG did towards Steve who is a much better in hustle play than Sura.

 

Great player needs help too. As great as Shaq is, the Lakers couldn't beat Pistons without Malone. In fact, they might have lost to Rockets without Malone in last year's playoff. For the 3 championship Lakers got, Horry saved them a few times too.

 

I think Yao does some of that on his own when he is fatigued. Also some of the blame could go to Sura who is supposed to be the floor general.

Again if Yao is going to pick-n-divetothebasket I will prefer he starts the pick right inside the 3-point arc instead of the oft 1-2 feet outside of it.

I trully believe Yao can still improve on all of this when his fitness/stamina increases and as he gets more comfortable playing with Mac (in large part) and Sura. There is so much though to be excited about when it comes to all the possibilities Yao and Mac present us.

 

Glad you enjoyed the part of the game where Wesley, Barry, Padgett, and TMac threw easy passes to Yao.

and Sura hustling going after rebounds and knockin 'em away from Yao - one time - what is he thinking going after the ball with such reckless abandon! who cares if Sura is one of our best offensive rebounder on the Rockets who rank last in offensive rebounds. He has no business hustling for boards like that - why you...you... selfish anti-Nash dude you!

10 assists and only 2 turnovers and timely gutsy rebounds when we need them - nope, not enough. you're no Nash man!

Feed Yao, feed him all the time! Not one slip up from you.

Whats that? The television camera is higher up, and its not the same perspective from the court as looking from your living room? aww come on now, thats no excuse, I got the 'court vision' from my living room and replay - you're no Nash man!

 

Sura surely can do no wrong.

 

If he is psychologically screwing you out of your satisifaction and enjoyment of watching the Rockets play well and win as a team like last night, whos problem is that really? Its not his fault you're obsessed with his every move and mistake.

This game thread, the majority of it is full of whining b****es. That was one of the most well played games I have seen in a long time and there is nothing but whining and griping and crying to eachother that Sura missed Yao this one time or Sura didn't do this or did this when he should have done that or did that when he should have done this. It doesnt even make sense anymore. Wait, it never did.

 

Obsessed Sura Fans: Sura this. Sura that. Sura the hot shot who doesnt know his place. Sura's too cool for me and that pisses me off. He needs to know his place and be humble and not be star. Who that hot-shot wannabe think he is? Rockets win, everyone contributes, who cares. Sura make me mad this one time, on that one play, I hate him for life. I think about it all day.

Sura's new nickname should be - He Hate Me.

 

Bob Sura always looks for his own shot first -- True!

 

He had 10asts yesterday and took 7 FGs

 

aaah...dont bother them with facts Kaiser....they aint interested.

I wasted a hour of my time tryin to prove a point with cold hard facts directly from the game tape....and what did I see?

total diversion from the point...as soon as you prove a point...they jump off on another tangent....

most of them arent interested in real discussion...just whining and patting each other on the back over their shared delusions.

send em to the minors(IL)....save yourself the trouble

 

Hello Mr 'Bob Sura nitpicker'

Have a happy enjyoable season together with the the rest of the 'Bob Sura Nitpickers'

Looks like its going to be a great season of gamethreads with the
'Bob Sura Nitpickers' around

though you may be happy to know a board is being created on Yahoo messageboard by a BSN(Bob Sura Nitpicker) called "what about Bob?"

Its all about Bob, and what about Bob when he didn't smile back at Yao that one time or when Yao was walking to the scorers table Bob didn't move his foot back far enough to let him by. Or if you want to talk about the time when Bob Sura hustled into Yao Ming and got the rebound or whatever thats cool too.

Look for the "what about Bob" message group created by the BobSura Nitpickers in the coming future.

 

Serioudly, I don't get it. I never questioned Sura's hustle play, in other words, heart. What I don't get is, since he hustles, no one is allowed to criticize some of his plays. If someone does, must be YOF or Sura haters, what's this about? Another "either you are with us or you are against us?" SF3 hustles every single minute on the court, so many were criticizing his decision making, threw out all kinds of harsh words. I was sometimes frustrated, sometimes defended him. He was our franchise player, we were all free to criticize him. Now, wow, Sura is untouchable. If you talk about stats, Steve's better, if you talk about hustle play, Steve is not shy, why all of a sudden, we can't critize Sura?

He definitely added lots of positive things to the team, no one denies that. Does that mean he can not be criticized? Even obvious dumm plays? When did I ever said feeding Yao all the time in my short member history, short posting history? I don't get it, i can't even say he should pass to an open Yao or Deke under the basket? What makes you so defensive? Please enlighten me.

You don't need to switch topic to bring up that Sura had 10 assists last night, while I was talking about certain plays. A. Walker, others say that he's probably the only player who can hurt his team by putting up tripple doubles. I am NO WHERE NEAR to say Sura is like him, but 10 assists doesn't mean that he didn't have some boneheaded play. He's no Nash, I repeated many times, we can't afford nash, so I don't expect a Nash. With three Rockets in the paint, Deke is reaching for the rebound, why would someone try to get that? EVen if he's the greatest worrior Sura, mind you. Remember his dis-recognized tripple double? He cares about his stats, very much. Not there is anything wrong with that, all I am saying is sometimes, all hustle might hurt the team in certain occasions. I just WISH he could have better court vision. If you think that's just rude and unreasonable of me to ask for this from our best energy guy. I don't know what to say.

If misspelled some facts, please correct me, but no need to act so defensively. I really apprecite with your videos and all the efforts, which benefited lots of us outtowners, no matter what you want to call, but I DO care about Rockets' games, way before I even heard the name of Yao.

But honestly, I have to laugh when you described third quarter minute by minute to show us that Sura never ever had a chance to pass the ball to Yao, either because of Yao's inability to get great position, or tough defense. I am not very knowledgable in bball, but I do know, not every single pass necessarily leads to score directly. One pass could lead to another, then another, the purpose is only to find an open man. A game of 5 had more options than game of 4.

Just think it this way, if lots of people point out the same thing, they might be exaggerating in the degree, they might spin it in different way. But I wouldn't be so arrogant to decide all of them are just talking about their daydreams. NONE of the things they talked about ever exists.

If you just said yes, it's true, sometimes he failed, it might be due to his inability, but by no means I would believe it's intentional, and one can be frustrated about some obviously missing plays. If you can recognize that, we wouldn't even have this conversation.

 

ok, big mistake, put Texas Stoke and Rockets2K together