ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Celtics 1/31/2005

One thing that we probably can agree on is that Yao set an awful lot of picks for everyone.

I can see he can be helpful to the team by doing so but
1) Consider his stamina, maybe it needs to be cut down some.
2) It used to be argued that the picks are designed to free Yao for shots or for rolling to the basket or to get him better post position.
Lately it has not looked that way.

 

jesus christ...what is it gonna take to get some reading comprehension around here???

I said.....My post was in response to those that weree crying about Yao's lack of shots in the 3rd.


HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND???

It wasnt a post to prove that SUra doesnt hate Yao...or that it is Yao's fault that he didnt get shots....it was a breakdown of the actual plays that occured during the stretch of time that Yao was onthe floor inthe 3rd quarter

Why do yall keep going on about post plays yadda yadda yadda..??

post plays are not the aspect of the game that I was referring to...it was about LACK OF TOUCHS IN THE 3rd.

understand now?

 

Definately. Yao needs to be in the post, not at the top of the key setting picks. It may help the guards out, but half the time he can't get back down to where he needs to be in time to be in a position to either score or rebound.

Not to mention the fact that JVG has him so worried about getting back on defense that half the time he starts running back down court after the Rockets throw up a shot instead of crashing the boards.

 

Sura is not freezing Yao out. He's like poorman's Francis,
having poor court vision and entry-passing skills. We
definitely need to do something. We couldn't afford our
hottest hand to get no touches in 6 mins.

 

I don't think Sura intentionally not pass to Yao.

A few times, he misses open people, Yao and others. It's understandable, he is not a true PG and his vision and handle are really not quite as good as others. When he goes thru heavy traffic in the lane or if he is on the other side, he can't see people on the far side.

Other times, he is being very careful to avoid TOs on the entry passes. He usually waits for Yao to get real good position before he does pass. This maybe OK. You can argue that he should be better at passes but at the same time, Yao needs to be better at catches. Since they are what they are, you can play conservative or you can risk it a bit, no crime either way.

They both are doing what they can.

 

Why don't u calm down and try to read the last few posts, including yours again.

 

I agree. I also rofl when reading Rocket2K's words
"being pushed out" or "standing around watching".
It's not hard to admit Sura is a poor entry passer and has poor
court vision. Yao was open AND scorching hot but
Sura couldn't make the pass.

 

A much needed win, against a crappy club...

 

Ragingfire, I totally agree with you that Sura is just not great at entry pass instead of not passing the ball to Yao intentionally.

I really think that those last several plays against Celtics sum up all of Bobby's problem and it's a result of him playing out of position. It was painful to see that he dribbled inside the paint and had no where to go only to shoot an airball with the game on the line. And in the previous possession, he had to pass the ball to a helping TMac who then made the entry pass to Yao. And the next possession, TMac himself brought the ball up the court to make a pass to Yao for a 13 foot jumper. Don't blame Bobby on passing the ball to Wesley even if the latter was ice cold. It was just much easier to pass the ball to a guy at the 3 point line than to pass it inside the paint.

 

Why should I?

Im not the one that is misunderstanding the point of my intial post.

you and Panda are.

but thi sgives me my answer...you and PAnda are not interested in discussing the plays...so...dont bother to respond...you arent worth my time.

btw.....the phrases "pushed out" and "standing around" are nothing more than descriptions of what I saw on screen....I made no judgements on whetehr he was supposed to be doing anything....just what I saw onthe screen.

but you guys are obvioulsy wanting to shoot the messenger for stating something you dont want to hear...

fine...I wont bother to attempt real discussion with you since you dont really want it......I dare you to find any place in my recent posts where I slam Yao and attempt to raise up Sura(or any other guard) over our stars......you wont find one.

but.....you guys are so intent on defendeing Yao against all detractors...real or imagined...that you refuse to read a post for what is really there....fine....the real posters here know whats up....and those are the only ones whos opinions matter to me....the rest of you are just dragging down what used to be a fine forum.

 

Bob Sura has limited court vision - True

Bob Sura is not the best entry passer - True

Yao Ming has problems establishing position sometimes. - True

Yao Ming draws a lot of double teams and is fronted a lot. - True

Bob Sura never passes the ball to Yao Ming - False

Bob Sura is a ballhog - False

 

... i don't know what i think about that... but those two parts really struck me. sorry you feel that way.

 

Yao played really well tonight but the 2 things that JUMP out at me are ZERO turn overs! & ONLY 29mp. 29 min isn't gona cut it... I know he was in foul trouble but he has to learn to play w/ 5 fouls. If Yao played 39+ min he can and will be a 22/10 guy.

 

not that it matters yip...but I have always considered you as a guy who's posts help make this forum good...

you are normally well reasoned in your posts....sometimes you slip...but who doesnt....I slip more than I dont...

 

R2K is a real poster, but sometimes acts a little junior

 

ha the slips are probably when i b**** every time yao stinks it up. it's frustrating to watch. it's like hold on to the damn rebound.

i mean i do happen to think Sura doesn't pass it to yao sometimes when he should. but i also think that's yao's problem. if he wants the ball more he'd yell at sura after the game to pass it to him. i mean i don't think anyone can hold him down if he doesn't want to get held down.

yao's too nice. to the refs, to everyone.

yao need to realize that it's better to get pissed off than pissed on.

oh btw i have a bunch of your highlight xvid clips. those are good because i can't download BT very quickly.

 

My bold claim,

Yao is a selfish punk

He tries to make his teammates happy at the expense of the
team.

He even used the culture difference to make excuses for his poor
play, which many Chinese know not very true.

He isn't fully committed to the organization who pays his bills.

 

Notice how the years past after playing against Shaq, Yao's loses all of his energy and doesn't come out to play for a week or two because he's so dead tired after the game. And today on a second night of a back to back after playing against Shaq, he played with energy and agression and had his legs under him. Even though his conditioning needs drastic improvement, it got noticably better from the first two years. I thought that was a good sign for our future.

We are still missing that killer's instinct that's required for us to be at the next level. So many games where we did not close out inferior opponents by not going for the kill. Instead, we coast and let them come back. Hopefully we'll develop that killer instinct down the stretch when it really counts.

 

I am blaming the lack of ability rather than lack of intention.

If you watch very closely, you will find

1. Rox let Yao go out to do pick and roll way too much. One of reasons is our pg has limited ability to shake off his defender and make the entry pass or dirve/pass out.

2. Our pick and roll is pretty ineffective. When yao and sura do pick and roll, sura is not quick enough or tall enough to make the pass back. He almost always passes the ball to the other side of the court while yao runs back to the same side, and it appears to be yao is often standing in the weak side to watch howard to play one-on-one inside or someone else shooting outside.

3. There are more than one way to utilize yao. Last year we ran a lot of plays on the high post to free yao to take some jumpers. It almost disappears this year. It is not the case that yao shouldn't get the ball until he is in deep low position.

My 2 cents.

 

I think a lot of times this year Yao is in foul trouble because our PF loses his man and Yao has to come over and help. If we can get a decent PF like Stromile Swift next year, that'll free up Yao a lot and also commit less fouls.