ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Bucks 12/28/2004

It's both their faults, and equally so. In fact, now that I think about it, if I were to divide up the blame, it would be 33.3% Yao, 33.3% JVG, 16.6% TMac, and 16.6% role players.

 

Well, that was an utterly disgusting read (recap). Sure am glad I missed this one in person. What happened to my Rockets?

 

Guess I better stock up on Pepto, considering I will be back in Houston by 2:00pm on the 30th Houston time. Geez....we really suck.

 

Rest assured DD, that JVG will go before Yao and/or T-Mac.

 

Actually the Bucks might get in the playoffs with that conference and ugh losses to the Bobcats twice. i'm actually glad for a tougher schedule. My impression is the Rox usually show up to play against a tough opponent but drop the ball against lower teams. I feel this is a reflection of Yao's attitude. For whatever reason, if its a good team, he shows up mentally. If its a bad one, he seems to not take them as seriously. Not a cultural thing or whatever, every young player goes through this.

 

Dunno if its been said, but I'm positive the trade was in the back of everyone's minds. I always had the impression that JJ was a locker room stablilizing influence that everyons got along with. Noone expected him to get traded. I expect the Rox to come back and play like they been playing recently

 

SPLASH ! oops.... I mean

drip.........

 

The bad thing is, we're going to. Not because of his basketball abilities, but his marketing. He brings money to the team through merchandise and putting people in the seats. Based on his statistics he doesn't deserve the max, but it looks like there's no way of stopping it. The bad thing is, by giving Yao the max it makes it even harder for us to sign other players because our 2 max guys are occupying so much of the salary.

We should be getting MAX money contribution from TMAC, but even though we're going to be paying Yao the MAX we're only going to be getting 6-8 mil contribution. I don't know if this really makes sense, but what I'm trying to say is the Management cares more about the money than winning. They're willing to pay Yao the extra in order to bring in more money, and tie up the salary than letting him walk and signing more than 1 person for the same price and putting up better combined stats, but don't bring in as much money.

Pugs

 

Keep making trades Jeff. Pretty soon you'll find out everyone in the NBA stinks. Too bad you've don't have anyone to trade for KG or TD so you could see how bad they stink too.

This was a game where the players sent their own message. When management communicates with actions and players respond with actions, communication and trust has broken down.

It's time for a separation.

 

This team sux arse...No energy, no heart, might as well give up...Hell, fire the coach before they trade all the players...

 

We got the **** kicked outa us!

 

Still can't believe this was posted by CLUTCH. Give me a reason.

Yao should kick that stupid dumb bear out of the court.

 

I agree that Yao in no way deserves the max contract with his performance on the court. This is why I proposed the trade with the Lakers of Yao and Mo for Odom and Mihm. The Lakers is truly the only team that can really maximize the revenue appreciation from having Yao on the team because Los Angeles county has 1.3 Asians compared to 250k for the Harris county area. Les Alexander would have to bite the bullet, but he should get back $3 million which is the maximum cash that can be put in a trade. I think a 1st rounder should be included too. I think if the Lakers were pressed they would include Caron Butler too since Jumaine Jones is rounding out so well as a 3 point shooting small forward.

Yao should understand that getting a max contract will put him in a platform associated with very high level performers. Fans will heavily criticize him if he does not live up to the contract.

I think it will be different with the Lakers since his presence on the Lakers will allow Jerry Buss and Jerry West (coming back to the Lakers) to basically offer a full MLE offer every single season to a good free agent. People can work around the cap as long as you don't trade for garbage like the Knicks did. The Mavericks are an example. Exceeding the salary cap is not an issue if the revenues received from Yao exceed the exceed the amount spent beyond the salary cap threshold. This is why I think the Lakers would do this trade in a second. I know Jerry Buss would. Les Alexander will toss and turn in his sleep, but I think the Rockets might have to do this trade.

 

Wow, I heard kids under 6 can get in theme parks for half of the price, but .3

Yao+Mo for Odom+Mihm??? Are you kidding me? You trade an allstar center for a borderline star who was disposed by the clippers because of character problems. I have a feeling for Les, if he has to trade one of the two super stars on this team, he would trade Tmac before Yao.

 

I meant 1.3 million.

To be honest, I don't see Yao wanting to stay in Houston. The NBA wants him to go to Los Angeles. Bill Duffy (his agent) wants him to go to Los Angeles. YAO IS NOW UNDERSTANDING THE NBA IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS. What connects Yao to Houston? His buddy Boki is gone. Mo is probably Yao's friend, but he'll go with Yao to Los Angeles in the trade. Does Yao feel connected to JVG more than Rudy T? Come on. Noone goes to war for JVG.

Les Alexander should make the move for Yao. Trade him for Odom and Mihm, or else he gets nothing, and the Rockets franchise will be doomed.

 

And the franchise wouldn't be doomed with Odom & Mihm in return?

Wow, Charvo posting he wants the Rockets to trade Yao to LA for Odom/Mihm! Shocking! Come on man, it's getting real old. Stop pretending you know what is going on in Yao's head or even, what is even more ridiculous, assuming what the NBA wants Yao to do. Nobody knows, outside Yao himself, what he wants or will do. You act like you want the best for the Rockets, yet you suggest not only trading the franchise center picked first overall only 2 1/2 years ago, but to get Odom and Mihm in return. Please! It's sad really. I think you have alot of decent takes on subjects on these boards yet you continue to have your weekly trade Yao post.

And, about trading Yao. The worst thing the Rockets could do right now is give up on him. They've invested too much and he has too much potential to just hand over to LA, or any team, for trash. The Bucks traded Kareem, Bulls traded Brand, Blazers traded Jermaine O'Neal and we all have seen where those franchises have gone since.

 

Well, I live in LA, so actually I dont mind.
No I dont want to see Yao to play with Kobe, that selfish prick. If you want to trade Yao, at least get somebody devent back. How about with Dallas, Finly+Damp for Yao+MoTay+Spoon. Dallas loves a big body that can shoot jumpers.
Dont be stupid. I am frustrated with Yao too. But rationale has to kick in when you say ok lets trade the 2nd best center in the league because he played really bad games and seems not dominated. You do whatever to keep him, keep him happy. Plus, the China market is just too big for Les to give it up. He is a bussinessman, trust me.

 

The Rockets are closer to the worst team in the league than the best team in the league. The Rockets need to do a bold move.

 

I concur with Charvo the Yao experiment in Houston should be over.

Odom is the PF this team needs, while Mihm will be adequate center to replace Ming while If

(Big) If

CD is smart he can pry Butler away, thereby acquiring that DT shooter this team sorely lacks.

Yao is just much better riding the coatailes of Kobe towards a possible championship. LA is a much better run organization and when they say it will draw alot of quality FA's that will play for below value

It WILL, unlike a certain city.

Houston's management needs to do the right thing for once in the past freakin 7 years. Trading Ming (as the only tradeable asset on this team) is the only viable option then having a team play for the next few years hovering around .500 with no heart and tired legs.

 

I think the Rockets could get Butler, Odom, and Mihm along with a 1st rounder.

Talk about run and gun.

PG Sura
SG TMac
SF Butler
PF Odom
C Mihm

I think this team could compete with the likes of the Suns.

Yao is a good center, but he is not a top tier guy. If he isn't a top tier guy, then the Rockets are best off trading him to level out the roster to provide depth.