ClutchFans Game Thread: Pistons @ Rockets - Vegas Summer League 7/15/2024

So you are saying Jalen has never bricked shot after shot with no self awareness that he needs to quit shooting? lol.

 

Some people see what they want to see.

 

Straw man, you said "Cam played like Jalen" Jalen has never played as bad as Cam did there, not even close. Intellectual dishonesty isn't worth the dialogue tbh, you stick with your logical fallacies, not worth the time to continue tbh.

 

Green has had a game that he was 0 for 11 with 0 for 5 on 3s. Intectual dishonesty is trying to say an 0 for 11 performance isn't close to what Cam did out there.

 

In the Summer League? Or are you trying to conflate playing against the Golden State Warriors 3 years ago with playing against Detroit's Summer League team? There's that intellectual dishonesty again...OOPS.

 

If Jalen Green went 1/15 against summer league dudes, you guys would dedicate an entire thread to it.

STFU with your lacking basic self awareness hypocritical bullshit.

 

"Never" is all inclusive. You did not qualify it. You used an absolute to make Jalen sound better and now are moving the goal post to just summer league. How many games did Jalen play in Summer League? It looks like you used an absolute for an incredible small sample. If you intended "never" to equal a number of 5 or less games.....

Has Jalen Green ever had a game, Summer League or NBA, or G League, that was as bad or close to as bad as Cam's game last night?

Also, when someone says a high school player plays like Giannis, do you assume they are talking about how Giannis played in High School? I think it was very easy to say Cam was forcing things much like Jalen has during his NBA career. I doubt many people remember how Jalen Green did in Summer League such that the default assumption should be they were comparing him to his NBA career in which he's had stinkers.

 

It doesn't matter if it is summer league or regular season. A player has to have the self awareness to quit shooting when they are bricking everything. It is even worse in the regular season. You are the one who is have some intellectual dishonesty here.

 

From what I remember the coaching staff was frustrated that Green got to hesitant rather than "shooting too much". That seemed to never be a concern.


Green in February had his confidence shot and that lead to him doing things like passing out on situations Ime would prefer him to attack. Often when you get in your head like that you take an extra millisecond to make decisions because you are uncertain of yourself and that millisecond delay in a professional sport leads to bad decisions, bad shots, bad passes.

That was what was going on in Jalen's head during the middle of February where he was at his lowest point his NBA career.


I don't think the issue ever was "he shoots too much".

More like "he's second guessing himself too much leading to a cascading effect of more bad decisions"


I don't think even people like you who are obsesed with hating Green understand why Ime was frustrated with Green.

 

Awe, I hurt your little feelings when I compared his bad game to your boy. I'm sorry.

 

No because Jalen at this point would wake up from his bed and put an efficient 30 on summer league rosters. That isn't a brag about Jalen. That is just what a third year player in the NBA should be able to do against summer league rosters. Summer league rosters have people like Bronny James playing 30+ minutes.

 

Yes you did. I don't appreciate bad faith double standard hypocrisy.

 

Since the conversation continues to be All Jalen All The Time lets look back to his summer league:

This was Jalens Summer League:

 

Never is all inclusive. No one is saying Jalen Green today would not dominate Summer League rosters today (this may be hyperbole on my part using the quid pro quo absolute as I've just read some of the posts and have some people on ignore). If they are, they are wrong.

Has Jalen Green ever stunk up a game, NBA, G League, or Summer League as bad as Cam stunk last night? When people say Cam played like Green, I think a bad sterotypical bad Jalen Green NBA game and not a hypothetical Summer League game or one that was played several years ago. If they were talking March Jalen, or post ASB Jalen, they would usually say that. When I think Jalen Green, his career so far is usually high volume and an inefficiency that is low for even a primary on ball handler.

What's the double standard? Cam had a bad game. Jalen Green's had plenty bad games. More bad than good. The good have been fantastic and the hope is he plays more of those. What Jalen Green has done so far on average is not good enough for an on ball scorer, and on ball scorer doesn't generally translate as well to off ball (not counting when they are just taking turns being on ball with someone else great).

The good games by Cam have been fantastic last season. The Summer League games for Cam have been disappointing with last night being horrid.

 

Cam shot 1/15 in a summer league game.

The excuses for Cam that posters who have a long history of ******** on Green like @MysteryRocket or @cml750 would never be applied to Green.

Hence the double standard.

If Jalen Green had a Sumner league game shooting 1/15, one of these posters would create an entire thread so it and make it a week long content generater of how much he sucks.

That is what hypocrisy is.

 

That performance by Cam was one of the worst I have ever seen in my life. It was so bad that it was contagious. He was so awful that the rest of the team started doubting themselves too. I'm going to try to not put too much stock into it, but that was wild. He better come out and look incredible in the next couple of games.

 

Jalen Green before March was the youngest player in franchise history to reach 4000 pts. The second young youngest player in franchise history to do that was nearly 2 years older when they did it in Harden. Before this season Jalen as a 19-21 year old asked to be the center of defense attention averaged 20 ppg on 54% ts for his career. That makes him top 10 in NBA history in scoring average for a player 21 or younger.

Jalen Green has the the 7th most 40 pt games before turning 22 in league history.

And there are other interesting feats he's reached before turning 22 like this:




This isn't to say he is on some MVP trajectory. But to say his play before "March" hasn't shown someone having a future has a on ball scorer is absurd given these historical feets.

19-21 year olds who are asked to score off the dribble and be the center of defensive attention rarely ever contribute to winning right away. Booker is a prime example for this. In his third year he was leading his team to 22 wins.

It's as if you think a young player in Green's position has to have a Luka, Ja level impact when they are 20 to be stars. There is no in-between.

 

What the hell are you talking about? I specifically called out Cam for lack of self awareness. I hurt yours and Bodizzles feeling by comparing him to Green for keeping on shooting despite laying bricks. I do not give crap who it is, at some point a player should defer to teammates rather than laying bricks over and over. I will call out any player, Sengun included, for high volume crap shooting. I have no double standard.

 

And if he does not develop some consistency he will be the player with the most 30+ point games at such a young age to not be resigned by his team.