ClutchFans Game Thread: Pistons @ Rockets 11/18/2005

The dude, which i think is hypocritically humorous, attacked me for having an opinion. Read the thread before making a judgment buddy. Yao missed a couple of rebounds he should have at a crucial point in the game and as a Rocket fan and since this is Rocket game thread I posted my frustrations. It was an actual factual play that I had a legitimate gripe about.

 

Time for thought

The Rockets are a good team (great defense) not a great team. They are NOT the second best team in the West as predicted before. Dallas is. However , the potential to be second is SURELY there and maybe even first. We played with heart and intensity. It was enough to challenge the Spurs and Pistons. If we play like that every night we could win most games even with TMac playing limited mins. In past games even though we were shooting bad the intensity and tenacity was not there.

Good David Wesley! We questioned your shot not your heart. I hope your contagious to your teammates.

Yao= Half Man/Half Ghost. First half & esp. first qtr. Yao showed fortitude and played like a true all star. Once again he disappeard in the second half. WOW he had 9 turnovers. And he doesnt get the ball that much!!!

TMAC= Get well soon. good job on the boards!!

Derek Anderson= I've seen what youv'e done this season ....you are hurting our team. Please retire.

City of Houston= when the rockets play at home, why isn't there any home court advantage??? We have a soft team and soft fans. IMO the Rockets should partner up with the local colleges and bring in the loud and crazy college kids to make some SERIOUS noise for big games or the playoffs.

JVG= i commend you for your defensive prowess and mind set. You have to be able to mesh offense and defensive. Last year , you let a healthy TMAC do what he wanted to do . Now he is hurt, YOU HAVE TO COACH UP SOME OFFENSE. The offense on the court for these last couple of games can be compared to senior citizens taking a **** on your birthday cake.....ITS NASTY.
Sooner or later you might have to move out of River Oaks and go back to Manhattan

Carrol Dawson= please take a look at Corey Maggete , Latrell Sprewell , Jamaal Crawford,EVEN stephon marbury (YEA I SAID IT!!) and other players. Its obvious we are NOT championship contenders.

 

TMAC got good rebounding.
YAO played really good in the 4th and he got enough touches,he just need take care the damn ball better.

 

"With Yao and Tracy McGrady out , will David Wesley carry the team?!?!"

- Classic Bill Walton


I thought that was the most funniest comment EVER! Then all of sudden , David Wesley did a good job!

All season long we've been burying DW, and Bill Walton had the nerve to ask that question. hahaah....next it will be DA ( i doubt it).

 

It was a team loss. As it always is. I was commenting on one play that was a big play at the time. I don't blame Derek Anderson poor shooting just as I don't blame Yao Ming's 9 to's and poor rebounding late in the game for the loss. It was 'a play' I was commenting on. We are allowed to do that here. I don't say, oh that happened, but I'm not going to comment on it because Yao Ming's boyfriend will take it the wrong way and get his panties in a bunch. It's not personal, It never is. It's basketball. I'm commenting on basketball play. But when you have people like supepro who invest so much emotionally into one player, they take it the wrong way and react the way he did. I mean the kid was telling wnes, a guy who most of the time is pointing out all the positives with Yao, but who has objectivity when watching the game, to STFU. The kid is an idiot.

 

Turn overs combine with poor shooting killed us tonight.

 

I thought the refs are gonna stop calling flops this season. To think that Ben Wallace is just a bad ass and see him resorting to flopping is just sad. I blame all this flopping of John Stockton....the father of flop.

 

If you're gonna have an opinion, please have an educated and informative opinion. Look at the box score (and stop nitpicking a couple of rebounds) and then you'll see that it's a team game and every Rockets player had a chance to perform, but they didn't.....TEAM LOSS.

I'm more concerned about seeing all the empty seats on TV (since I live in Michigan I can't attend the games), and seeing they are playing a great Pistons team and wondering where is the home court advantage?
Don't underestimate a rowdy crowd and how it excites the home team and causes havoc to the visiting team.

 

Yes -this call for "objectivity" is coming from a person who posted that he would trade Yao in a heart beat and who only posts to nit pick every mistake Yao makes

 

out of all the nights to make this observation....

granted, alot of the time they arent much...but they were damn loud tonight..the Rockets played with better intensity, and the crowd responded.

save your insults directed at the hometown fans for nights when they really suck...

 

You don't see the double standard do you? It's like this. You can criticize every Rocket player but do not criticize China's favorite son. I don't give a damn about all that stuff. I'm a houstonian criticizing a basketball play in the game that I thought was a turning point. We were two points down with some momentum and player X(is that better) let Ben Wallace outhustle him for the rebound and score. I don't care that the player happens to be Yao who comes from China, it was a bad play and it came at a very bad time, and it so happens that Yao was responsible for not making it. If it was Deke who was in there and he did that I would have made the same comment, it was the misplay that I was commenting on not so much the player. But barney fan #1 strolls in and tells me to 'shut up and to do this and that and oh by the way, Derek Anderson is a cancer and Rafer Alston who didn't play, he played bad tonight' If that isn't a phony hypocrite YOF for you then you will never recognize one because you are full of your educated informative bullsh1t.

 

It seems to me Luther is more comfortable doing the catch-and-shoot than running the offense. In the few occasions that he ran the offense, he looked unsure and heasitant.

Wesley was a stud in the game. Keep playing like that he will live up to the all-star candidate standard.

Yao played well, but Big Ben was really good defensively in the 2nd half.

Swift definitely played well. He didn't look lost in the offense, at least not in the 2nd half and is effective on the defensive end: he directly caused Rasheed miss a dunk and block the backup center's (sorry, don't know his name) pass. If it wasn't for the two turnovers Barry and he had in the last minute, I would have given him 9 out of 10 for his performance.

DA played fine on defense, but really stink on offense. Juwan played so-so. The team definitely played better than previous games. I think the team is going on the right track. Keep it up and we might be able to sit Tmac for a couple more games to fully recover.

I like the trend.

 

Let's stroll go. He is in pain.

 

Guys give Texas Stoke a break. He's not a Yao hater. He's actually really critical of all the Rockets players whenever they screw up.

He's more of a YOF hater. The knock against him is that he tends think everyone is a YOF.

 

Whats a YOF?

 

SomebodY who posts Once every Five years

 

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but our play out there is simply awful despite how "close" some of these games are. It's easy to say "We'll get better" or "It's early in the season" when in reality there is little to improve upon. The real problems are deep and should be addressed now instead of being exposed in the playoffs.

There is no ball movement at all. Good offensive teams are more picky with their shot selection because they break down defenses with almost all five players on the floor and choose the easy shot. Did anyone see how the spurs rotated the ball and penetrated? Ball movement includes movement without the ball and right now we're just dumping it to Yao while everyone else just stands around the perimeter. There's no backdoor cutting, Yao's only pass option is to kick it out. Alston's only pass option is to Yao down low. Either Yao takes a tough shot over a double team or our perimeter guys take the first open shot they get. We need better shots than that.

Our rebouning is atrocious. Either long rebounds or short ones, we give up way to many offensive rebounds. It has to do with Yao's rebounding mentality. He boxes out for far too long and relies on either Tmac or another guard to get the rebound even though the ball is right in front of him. He should be fighting for it, even from his own teammates sometimes. At least that'll teach him to be constantly aggressive on the boards. Boxing out is nice and all, but Yao and Juwan should try a new technique called GET THE DAMN BALL! Sometimes our guards just don't get the ball, especially with Sura not here. Yao or Juwan actually trying for the damn thing might make sure that we get it.

I could complain about more, but work calls. The fact is that we're out there playing with no gameplan, which is worse than having a bad one. Having a healthy Tmac out there would be nice, but would only cover up our flaws until we played the spurs or pistons. Maybe we should try a princeton offense or something because what we're doing is not working and not getting anyone else involved at all.

 

and it looks like he only visits this board once in the last 5 years as well.

no desrespect dunkinlos. congrats on you finally decided to post.

 

You're right. Ball movement is very limited I don't know if it's we have limited skills or because of the coaching. It's easy to defend Rockets, just swarm Yao and TMac. With the talent of TMac & Yao, we should definitely mix it up, and definitely can run the princeton offense. Too one dimensional of offense scheme.

Yao should be more selfish, and fight for his own rebound instead of boxing out and let his teammates get it. Although box out is good fundamental basketball, it doesn't help a lot if other guys can or don't go after the ball. Yao's stat would look much better but I doubt the team will be better like that.

 

You do have a legitimate gripe about it. It just seemed you're especially hard on Yao sometimes. The team win or lose as a team, it's certainly not only Yao's fault whenever we lose.