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ClutchFans Game Thread: Nuggets @ Rockets 11/24/2007

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. doublehh03

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    did adleman figure out something against the heat or nuggets? no, they had traditional centers so they had no reason to front yao. same w/ lakers or utah and the spurs for the most part.

    teams that front yao don't have a legit big man (dallas/suns...).

    but we'll eventually resolve it (pick and roll, GET YAO TO THE HIGH POST, or penetration and dish)
     
  2. Rockza

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    You are kidding me! You are delusional and have not been watching the games! Either that you are just choosing to ignore the facts to make your case. Now try to twist the fact as it might fit you, but the facts remain the facts.

    Read Fran's blog:

    http://blogs.chron.com/franblinebury/2007/11/the_first_of_69_in_a_row_rocke.html

    "That's the way the offense functioned a good deal of the time in the 6-1 start. But the moment things began to bog down, they pulled in their wings, reverted to form and turned into Van Gundy Lite, letting Yao and McGrady work solo while playing defense like cotton candy."
     
  3. doublehh03

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    OH REALLY. kobe's career fg% is 45. tmac's career fg% is 44. this yr, let's look at it. tmac's fg% is 45. kobe's fg% is 45.

    i know stats don't matter but they play very similar games and both take a majority of jumpers (kobe takes 75% jumpers). and it's not stats im looking at, i watch a lot of kobe games. a lot of his fts are from pump fakes on the perimeter and defenders fall for it.
     
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    Adelman didn't feed Yao in the low post enough in either the Miami game or this game which really infuriates me because the opponent was not trying to deny Yao the ball.

    Feeding Yao in the high post is bailing the defense out because he is simply ineffective from there. JVG was absolutely right when he said Yao is average outside of 10 feet and (un)fortunately he reminds us each time he's commentated us on an ESPN game.
     
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    I've watched every game this season. The "Playing defense like cotton candy" is the main reason we were losing. Second reason was that Yao was not seeing the ball in the low post enough. In the 6-1 start Yao was consistently fed in the low post, and we were playing very good defense, during the losing streak, neither happened, and McGrady got injured. Just because Fran Blineburry says something doesn't make it true.
     
  6. ikarus

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    Who is bashing TMAC? TAMC led the team with a better record than Yao did. Is that fact has anything to do with TMAC taking too many shots while he is not hot? Isn't it important to get more people involved in the offense?

    If you are fine with another Orlando magics which was led to playoffs single-handedly by TMAC, you can just enjoy it.
     
  7. doublehh03

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    JVG is not the smartest offensive coach. he made tmac into an easily guardable player. he made a team w/ 2 superstars one of the worst offensive teams in the L.

    and yao has made around 45% of his midrange shots. he may be 1-5 tonight, but 4/5 v. the mavs. averages balance out.
     
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    "We played really, really smart," Yao said. "We know what we should do on offense like when they front me, we know we need to move the ball to the next guy and they're going to attack immediately. When they tried to double team Tracy, it was a very good read there and we just moved the ball to the right people."
     
  9. Pueblo

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    Is this your life, doublehh03? You can always pick someone and debate with him/her forever. LOL. Don't get me wrong, your posts, I think, are mostly constructive (although "a little bit" of TOF flavor) and I tried to read most of them (although it is kind of hard to keep up). ;)
     
  10. Rockza

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    Geez... so you are saying RA allowed Yao to postup and decided to change it after we had 6-1 record?? Ok, lets see if this will shut you up. Instead of Fran, will you believe Yao? Read what Yao said here, this was right before the game against Lakes, our record was 6-2 at this point.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5299840.html

    End of the argument, you lose. You are just making things up to make your invalid point. The fact of the matter is, we started pounding the ball inside to Yao when TMac got hurt.
     
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    Really? We were one of the worst offensive teams in the league? Then why were we in the top half of offensive efficiency last year (14th) despite losing Yao and McGrady for 30 and 10 games, respectively?

    Yao has NOT made 45% of his midrange shots. According to hotzones, he has made 8/23 = 34.7% of them. That is a putrid percentage. He needs to stop shooting that shot, but Adelman's bankrupt scheme demands that he take that shot.
     
  12. ikarus

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    It is amazing for you to say TMAC and Kobe play similar games. do you know why Kobe can score as many as he can? It is simple: Kobe attacks the baskets and makes those damed free throws. It is scary in the 4th quarter to other teams and it is good to your team because you are tired and jumpers are going off.
     
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    Then how about after the second Dallas game Yao said one of the main problems causing the loss was the inability to get the ball to him in the low post?

    Yao couldn't get the ball when McGrady was injured because the team gave up on feeding him when he was fronted.
     
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    uh is it b/c his job is to score only and not set up other people? i seriously question if u watch the rockets OR the lakers.

    tmac didn't have to set up his teammates today and adelman told him just to score and voila, he scored.

    it's much easier when u play with one job and one job only. nash is to pass. kobe is to score.
     
  15. Rockza

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    Yea and you know Dwight averages 15 rbs and 2.6 blocks and scores just as much as Yao did last year. By the same logic, could we say Yao should rebound more and block more like Dwight, because he is not doing so, he sucks? You think getting to the rim is easy? There is after all such a thing as talent, Kobe can get to the rim like nobody's business, not everyone is Kobe. Similarly, not everyone is Dwight. Now what was your point??
     
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    good win for rockets...

    but it has to be said..

    watch the bandwagon fill right up again as the rockets look good, and steve francis is playing..all those people that were dissing the rockets and practically dis-owning them after the two most recent dissapointing loss' will be praising and claiming their rocket fan rights back...all of you know who you are, you arent rockets fans...seriously as i have said before, go fill up the celtics bandwagon...stick with your team through good and bad..
     
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    he is an TOF? Wow, that's my bad to argue with a TOF. What a waste of time!
     
  18. ikarus

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    You can't leave Yao alone, can you?

    We are talking about making best use of TMAC's talents. Some TOF fans think TMAC should mainly do the scorings and I said TMAC can also help the team with his talent in doing assists when his shots are not falling. What's your problem?
     
  19. doublehh03

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    don't worry, i won't be in this board at all in the next month. so get as much of me as u can ;)
     
  20. ikarus

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    Isn't that exactly the point? what's the best way for your pure scorer to score when you are tired and jumpers are falling off? or maybe you need somebody else to help you if you cannot or dont want to attack the basket?

    I have watched a lot of games. Don't sound like you are the only one seeing games. That makes you look silly.
     

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