ClutchFans Game Thread: Nuggets @ Rockets 11/24/2007

Dude relax and let go of this vendetta against RA. When TMac was out these past few games, we kept pounding inside to Yao, but he had friggin tough time with fronting defense. Look at his stats and FG%

 

most fans think yao is soft in his rookie yr, 2nd yr, 3rd yr, 4th yr,.... until he retires.

so don't blame it on adelman.

the same mistakes yao makes this yr he has made throughout his career (like the turnovers, getting stripped, can't get great position all the time, getting dunked on...).

tmac and yao are still not where they are at where the game is easier for them. so relax. when the role players click consistently, teams will hesitate to front yao and he will be rolling.

i'm just wondering, when will u be satisfy? when yao puts up 35/15/7 at the expense of his teammates?

 

What?? were you not a rockets fan from 99-04. Steve has always dived for loose balls.

 

FIVE OF THOSE SHOTS WERE ELBOW JUMPERS. Those are just bad bad shots that Yao should not be taking but is forced to because the bankrupt scheme demands it. Yao might be able to carry the team like he did in November and December last year, but this moron Adelman refuses to give him the chance. When Yao is fronted, the team gives up on him because Adelman say "we need to keep the ball moving." Oops, it just ends up as a bad shot by someone else and Yao just gets more frustrated. Last year we'd actually try to get it to him. Total difference in coaching philosophy; clearly Adelman doesn't think much of Yao's post ability, which is a ridiculous waste of his talent.

 

I would rather Yao have 22&13 over 27&9 anyday.

 

So far this season, with every win I get real happy. It helps me sleep more peacefully. With each loss in that losing streak, it was just tough to swallow every single time. Since the Rockets blew out a team, and on top of that, one of my favorite players got back onto the court, I'm real happy.

Though, I must say, this game didn't seem like much of a game to me. I thought Denver was a decently good team, but man ... their defense makes ours look like the defense we had last year under JVG. Denver didn't seem interested in making this a game ... Only their 3rd stringers put any pressure on us at all. Everyone except AI missed their shots, they didn't front Yao at all for this entire game. Our offense on surface level didn't appear to be any different structurally. The only difference was that Stevie seemed to give us energy. The crowd was into it, or at least I was ... Well that's not the only difference. Tmac was on fire, though the best defense played on him was by Anthony Carter ... so that says how they defended him.

Seems like all 3 of the Rockets broadcaster support Stevie getting more minutes. The entire post game show had them saying Steve this and Steve that. Not a bad stat line for Stevie either. There were a couple plays where I just wanted to see Stevie throw the ball down like he was doing in Orlando. There was one fast break taht was 2 on 1 with James with the ball and Francis trailing the other side. Right from that moment, visions of Cuttino to Francis for the 2 on 1 alleyoop came to mind, so in a sense I was disappointed to see Scola finish with the layup I'm just hoping he can still get up high enough to just throw it down. I believe he does ... or at least I hope. Also, I was surprised to see how he was able to play defense. Most of us that saw him play when he was here back in the day remember him being a lazy defender. Maybe it's the drive to get more PT that got him to move those feet and block some shots, but I'll take it. I mean you can make the case he was guarding nobody players, but I don't consider J.R. Smith a nobody player with no quickness, and Stevie stayed in front of him on the one on one. Overall, it was great to see Stevie back playing.

 

They weren't fronting him today and he wasn't getting the ball in the post. Yao had ceased to be soft in November and December last year before the injury. Sadly that probably represents the peak of his career, especially if Adelman stays around.

If Yao's touches at the elbow were all replaced with low post touches I would be completely satisfied. If Yao doesn't produce then, it's his fault. But right now Adelman is putting him in a position to suck, and that's exactly what he's done. That is why I am trashing Adelman. He is ruining Yao and I really hate to see that.

 

steve is a boneheaded player against some press and when he has the ball for too long (he just will make stupid plays when he does that--but i think in this offense, w/ tmac, he won't be asked to handle the ball too often).

but steve always plays with a heart on his chest. that's why the city loves him. fans will tolerate losing if the players play with passion and heart. steve did that. and he always will. that's why i have the utmost respect for steve.

 

That's a good point. TMac made 13 out of 39 fg attempts in last two games against Dallas and Miami. Today he made 13 out 23. That's the only difference as for as offense is concerned.

 

Softer..

Yao has attacked the basket and dunked with the most aggression I've seen from him since the first time he's stepped on the court. The outside shot expands his threat. Adleman is doing something that I wished Gundy would do. Dude can shoot. If he's open, he's gotta take it.

 

uh did u check yao in the playoffs? okur OWNED him several times, boozer OWNED him several times, always resorting to fallaways...

stop blaming everything on adelman. it's a miracle yao can play 40 minutes and still can play another game right after.

 

Lets see, Yao takes wide open jumpers from 15 feet which he hits 50% of the time or gets stripped when he gets fronted. hmm I will take the open jumpers anyday. Unless Yao learns to counter the fronting defense, you should stop making everyone the enemy. I also suggest, you should go join the Yao fan forum, coz even I, a YaoOF totally disagree with you on this.

I have seen what happened many times last year and this year when Yao was focal point of the offense. He gets fronted, doubled and more often than not,he gets stripped or he rushes his shots. Lets wait till he learns to counter fronting defense and then we can talk.

 

Please don't attack other's personality. We win the game because TMac's efficiency and the home court preference. Yao should be at the position near rim instead of shooting midrange ball. This is just waste our offense power. TMac is only about average 40% shooter, and he can not be always hot like tonight.

 

Yao_fan_2007 where have you been?

 

This just in, Coach Adelman takes the advice of the majority of ClutchFans members and the team plays the best overall game of the year. Next time, take our advice sooner, succeed quicker.

 

Did I say he played well in the playoffs last year? But he wasn't completely recovered from his injury. He was extraordinarily slow and couldn't get past anyone. So it was either power it in, which didn't work too well since Okur flopped a lot and the Jazz did a good job of collapsing on him when he got into the lane, or shoot the turnaround. This is not the case this year. He seems to be recovered from that injury, but now the thing that is holding him back is not an injury, it is the coach.

I don't care if Yao can play big minutes if he is less efficient than he was before. He is putting up less production in more minutes, and the high post is entirely to blame. Not only is he extremely ineffective from there, it also prevents him from getting into any sort of rhythm in the low post.

 

This blowout win for the team is the kind of win that I've been waiting for. The main area I wasn't really too happy with was the amount of turnovers the team committed (17). Their three-point shooting (3-18), well I could care less about that in this win since I would like the team to rely a lot less on threes this season than last season anyways.

Let's just hope this blowout win will be a good springboard for the team's upcoming 4-game road trip.

 

Why not? If Yao can make those kind of shots.

 

another difference: he didn't handle the ball much. he had 2 assists. the last 2 games, he totaled 17 assists. that's another difference people tend to forget.

tmac LOOKED to score in this game and not looking for his teammates. the last 2 games, he did.

 

McGrady can make 30 foot pull-up jumpers. Should he take them?

I wish I never see Yao stand at the elbow again. That is just the most ridiculous idea ever.