ClutchFans Game Thread: Nuggets @ Rockets 11/24/2007

PLAY STEVE CAC DAMN IT!

 

It is not just that we are losing. It is the way that we are losing. All the signs of bad coaching are there: poor execution on offense, poor execution on defense (i.e. poor defense), players speaking out about lack of preparation and execution, misusage of players including stars, the seeming "I have no idea what to do now" looks from the bench when we start losing.

Even when we were losing under JVG he did not look like a bad coach, he just looked like a coach whose players weren't perfoming. Adelman looks like a bad coach, he's ruining Yao, and he's making us play no defense to boot. Can we hire JVG back from ESPN right now?

 

AGAIN, did u watch JVG coach us last yr?

we OFTEN start games very poorly with lack of intensity. our D was good but offensively we were horrific to start games.

and last season, i can count 5-6 games in the first 2 months where we blew leads of 10-15 pts and lost. one game to the bulls last yr i remember where we led by 20 and ended up losing (or winning BARELY) and EVERYONE on here clamored for JVG's head. and like the poster Mr. Clutch said, the crowd started chanting, "FIRE JVG."

just b/c u liked the way JVG coach yao, he was not a fit for tmac or the rest of the team. he will not get us where we want to go as a team.

yes, right now adelman is coaching poorly and not adjusting like i think he would. he's not making life for our stars easier like he said he would. but i'm patient. i was patient w/ JVG for 4 freakin years.

adelman has only been here for 13 reg. season games. u need to give the guy a little more leeway than that?

and please, it's not how he uses yao that we are losing. yao had some ridiculously dominant games this yr. he has had more energy to stay in games this yr. both tmac and yao have had games where they played great with the new offense, other games they played poorly. it's an adjustment period.

don't just thikn about yao and think about the team and be patient.

 

Our reserves play no D. We lose. I hope I am wrong.

 

Actually, Heats' starters outplayed ours. Their reserves are worse.

 

Another lose without playing Steve Francis.

The stubborn coach will die for Rafer.

 

has a team ever started 6-1 and not made the playoffs?

If we lose, I think that's where we are headed.

 

Well under Adelman both phases of the game are bad. And if we can chant Fire Gundy, why can't we chant Fire Adelman? It will send a powerful message to him that if we're calling for his head after 13 games that he can't screw around and be the bad coach he has been.

No, Yao has played very mediocre and has looked soft, lost, and confused at times. Well there's a reason he looks soft and has played poorly, it's because he's planted at the elbow, and Adelman has filled his head with the notion that he must create and pass out of double teams rather than just jacking up his own shots like he did under JVG. It sounds good but in practice it completely doesn't work. Yao needs to be in the low post consistently attacking.

Not even mentioning how McGrady has pointed out that our defensive rotations are bad (coaching failure) and how our offensive execution is bad (more coaching failure!) and that he said the best thing of being under JVG was that he was always prepared (hm.... what is this saying about Adelman?)

 

The Nuggets are inconsistent but they will beat us if we don't play with some continuity. I'm concerned that AI could go off and give us little chance to win. But the Nugs are so schizo I think we'll pull it off.

The main thing I'm looking for is a sense of desperation from our players. If they aren't keyed up like this game means something to them, the coaching staff has lost their attention. If we compete intensely and lose because AI and Melo go off, OK. If we don't play well and get a gift-basket win because the Nugs self-destruct, that is not progress.

 

i hate it when people use the word "soft" to describe a player when he's simply struggling or just going through an adjustment period. yao is not soft. in fact, he's very courageous and brave (to sacrifice his individual stats) so his team can go through this adjustment together. he's going with what the coaches are saying and not complaining one bit.

i call that a team player. if he's thinking like most of your our some of our players think like some of you, *******, we'll be like a soap opera gone bad.

 

As much as I hate to admit it, it's probably another loss tonight unless Adelman makes some changes, which I doubt he'll do. This might be for the greater good though, because everybody will see that what the Rockets are currently doing is not working and then it will be difficult not to change things up.

Also, Iverson will eat Alston alive.

 

It's very telling when I am a huge fan of Yao and am bashing his play, and you are no fan of Yao and are defending his play. I don't like the way he is playing at all. Every time I see him at the elbow and shoot that midrange jump shot I cringe. Yesterday by the end I wanted to throw something at the TV. He is playing mediocre, there really is no doubt about it. He can be so much better yet Adelman is holding him back. It apparently is not helping anyone else on the team be better, so we are now worse off as a team because Adelman is ruining the franchise center.

There is precedent for coaches being railroaded by their star players. IIRC Patrick Ewing got Nelson canned and got Riley hired because Nelson was putting Ewing on the perimeter too much. Yao needs to follow Ewing's example.

 

please bruh, i criticize players all the same. u should have seen destroy tmac last night for jacking up 3 straight 3pt shots in a stretch in the 3rd.

u may adore yao, but i like and respect yao just as much as any fan would.

 

Then why can't you see that Adelman is holding Yao back? That Adelman is ruining him and wasting his talents by planting him at the elbow?

All you care about is how McGrady gets his stats. He isn't even doing that anymore, why bother defending Adelman when he deserves no defense?

 

b/c i've seen the benefits of it.
1) when teams front yao like the mavs did, yao stepped out and made 4 jumpers. that's one way to counter the fronting
2) that opened up the space for a lot of cuts and a few baskets for tmac/bonzi (though that play is run less and less for some stupid reason)
3) yes i agree yao should be in the post more if teams are not fronting him and we should pound it and yesterday adelman didn't do that. and also our guards miss yao a ton too when he rolls. that pissed me off last night.

and again, when did i mention tmac's stats? we're talking about adelman and how he uses yao and then you bring up all i care is about tmac's stats. you're just a straight up tmac hater. did he kill someone in your family? i feel sad for you.

 

We want steve! Play steve, we win.

 

There are NO benefits. The midrange jump shot is a BAD BAD BAD shot. Yao should not be shooting it AT ALL. I haven't seen any basket cuts and Bonzi isn't finishing at the rim anyway, and McGrady still doesn't like to drive. Meanwhile Yao is just worse than he was before and not because of injury, because a coach is holding him back. Holding Yao back is not helping the team in the least and it is hurting Yao. Add this to our crappy defense and you have the reasons for the 6 game losing streak.

I am such a McGrady hater that after McGrady's clunker yesterday I said absolutely nothing about him and instead piled on Adelman. Call me an Adelman hater, but I am not a McGrady hater.

 

i never said u are but i have to say that b/c whenever someone doesn't speak about yao, u assume he's a tmac lover (like i didn't mention his stats and u always bring that up for some reason)

we agree that the team is not looking good so far. but u have to be patient. this team is just too talented and too good to be like this. and the coach DOES have a good track record (better than that of JVG). so be patient.

 

I hope the skid ends tonight but if they lose it will not be a surprise.

 

I refuse to be patient when the coach looks horrendous and is ruining my favorite player. Again, when we struggle under JVG it never looked like he was a bad coach, it just looked like we weren't hitting shots. Right now Adelman just looks like an incompetent coach, and he's ruining Yao to boot.