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ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 12/8/2012

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

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    I agree with the coaching.

    I think the players played well enough to play the game. The lack of adjustments destroyed our chance. They start doubling HArden...we do nothing...they start screening Mayo's guy...nothing....they make one sub the entire 4th qtr and wear out the guys. I actually said they should have put in Lin in the 4th.

    The high double...Harden could have passed it to Lin and he would likely have a lane to the basket or someone would be wide open to make the play. Instead they went with the same lineup and paid for it.

    I'm worried about the coaching without a doubt.
     
  2. CisBuds4U

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    why Asik? The guy is MIP and has huge upside still. Why would we trade him now? Top rebounder in the league and learning how to score. Give the guy a break, he has a broken nose so he's been tentative. You don't just give up on a player like that after 2 bad games.

    Also, its not good for chemistry to have so much turnover. We need to start developing some of thiese guys and not just dumping them off when another shiny object is spotted.

    Even though Lin has been disappointing, he still deserves a shot. The team needs to develop team chemistry. Trading them away isn't the answer right now. we weren't going to be a contender this year regardless. Lets work on team chemistry...we know this team can be a TOP scoring team so its about defense and improving shot selection...everyone needs to take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy the young pieces we have. Because when they are "on" they are a great group to watch.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    Yeah Jordan was great and did guard some great players. Guys like him and Lebron are two way all-time great players though.

    Harden is likely never going to be that guy defender. It is what it is, I think he just has lapses on defense and instinct is not there. He can be a decent defender, he's not as bad as Martin no matter what anyone says because opposing teams would literally attack Martin.

    Honestly, I don't know why they never did try Lin on Mayo. As I said in this thread, I think McHale often forgets that he can sub players in and out. His rotations are wacky. Hopefully it will improve as he learns the team more or something.
     
  4. glacier921

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    I smell a trade coming because it made no sense whatsoever to bench Lin and Asik in the 4th quarter. Something's up. Perhaps they dont' want Lin or Asik to get injured and lose their value. Don't get me wrong. Love those 2 players like crazy. Maybe not a smart move on Morey's part, but the sheer stupidity of Mchale benching Lin and Asik makes you think...??? Maybe they do want to trade Lin and Asik.
     
  5. pistol111847

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    The coaches in pre-season watched a tape of NY vs Dallas last year where Lin had 28 points and 14 assists and decided to limit his "freedom". In that they have been successfull. Of course Harden has carte blanche which is almost ok because he is a great scorer but why would they hamper Lin??
     
  6. CisBuds4U

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    honestly, its way too early to be doing any midseason trades. Not that its unheard of but most teams are still evaluating talent. I think they sat mainly due to matchups and the overall coaching philosophy for the game (easy to argue the wrong decisions were made).

    Asik was under the weather with the flu and a broken nose...Lin has just struggled in general although I thought he showed some good progress with the 2 3s. Asik has been the most consistent player for us so I have no doubt he'll be back in form soon. Lin on the other hand needs a new shooting coach, some confidence, and a touch of pixy dust to regain the magic. Plus the best place to upgrade is at PF. PPAT would be a solid player off the bench, we need a bruiser in the paint PF who rebounds and scores in bunches.
     
  7. glacier921

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    So he won't get injured and in that way trade him. I mean really. Benching Lin for 18 minutes? If they don't trade him, and the coaches really did what they did, that is one of the dumbest things the coaches could do, ever. That and benching Asik. I'm pretty confident there's a trade coming, but of course, it's all speculation.
     
  8. pistol111847

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    I'd hate to see it because they are both excellent players and quality human beings. It would be the Rockets loss. Morey had a lot of faith in both of them. Really the only thing that makes sense is to get another head coach.
     
  9. Luca

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    Unfortunately, they might want to ship Lin out.
     
  10. pistol111847

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    I don't think a trade is coming. It's hard to believe a coach can be this clueless but I think that's what it is.
     
  11. 34to11

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    Were you able to watch the game?

    Mayo got most of his points when Douglas wasn't on him.
    Putting Douglas on Mayo changed the whole complexion of the game and sparked an incredible comeback.

    The game was only winnable because of Douglas' performance. Prior to that the Rockets were getting blown out.
    But don't let silly facts like that get in the way of your convoluted argument in defense of Lin.

    I will say this though, that you have to go to such great lengths to defend your favorite player:
    • criticizing Douglas,
    • criticizing Harden,
    • blaming coaching (Sampson),
    • blaming different coaching (McHale),
    • blaming injury,
    • blaming lack of p&r,
    • accusing racism,
    • blaming confidence,
    • blaming offensive schemes,
      etc...
    should tell you something about the player you are defending.
     
  12. pistol111847

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    AhHa another hater! Don't get angry now hater!! :mad:
     
  13. wendzall

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    if benching lin and asik is because of an impending trade it's more like they are trying to showcase and trade douglas and aldritch.
     
  14. pistol111847

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    By the way who was guarding Mayo on his last 2 baskets that won the game?? Douglas!
    I'm not blaming TD he did the best he could. Just not the right man for the job. Poor coaching - if u don't realize the coaches blew the game then you are ignorant about basketball and should be ignored.
     
  15. 34to11

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    Only an idiot would mistake a clear presentation of facts with anger.
    BTW, since you call me a hater, please point out the hate.
     
  16. CisBuds4U

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    no way Lin or Asik r going anywhere unless they get blown away by a trade offer which won't happen with the way Lin is playing. His trade value is at an all time low, now is not the time to trade him but help him find his old stroke.
    Asik is a tremendous player. He isn't going anywhere, unless of course a superstar is coming over but that won't happen. Only trade I see involves PPAT but I suspect any big moves will happen in the off-season. Morey has said that the team expects to make the playoffs, not compete for a championship. They won't be doing anything desperate to win this season. Its about learning, gelling, and building chemistry. We are only 19 games into the season!!! Way to early to talk trades.
     
  17. pistol111847

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    That makes more sense but I still think the coach is just clueless.
     
  18. pistol111847

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    If you deny that you're a hater I accept that. You do realize though if you're not a hater then you're an idiot.
     
  19. pistol111847

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    By that I mean your statement "The only reason the game was winnable was because of Douglas". LOL
     
  20. 34to11

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    Again I ask did you actually watch the game?
    Douglas was picked off on both plays, one of which I believe was illegal.

    You probably missed all of that if you were looking through your Lin colored glasses.
    Shouldn't it tell you something if you have to wish for another player's failure in order for your guy to look successful?
     

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