ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 10/21/2013 (PRESEASON)

A pick?! That's really insulting to Asik. You obviously have a very low opinion of him.

Anyway, we're trying to win now. Trading Asik for a pick will leave us not much better than we were last season.

 

I bet the same thing was said about Harden in OKC to a greater extent. Get picks for him now instead of losing him in a year. Except in that case they only had a year guaranteed with Harden (and STILL could have matched an offer in RFA).

Low and behold, you look back at the playoffs last year, and Harden not being with OKC might have been the reason why they didn't make the finals again, and potentially beat Miami this time. Not saying they would have, but they definitely would have had a better shot this past year.

I'm not saying Asik is anywhere near the same player that Harden was for OKC, but he could be just as valuable for Houston coming off the bench in a different way. The Rockets have two years left with Asik on his contract, and they dont have the capspace either way to add a significant free agent next Summer... so why would they care to at this point trade him for a draft pick or two when they could use him to win more games both in the regular season and playoffs now?

Lets let the OKC/Harden situation be a lesson to learn. You win now if you can, and only do a deal like that if it actually helps your team on the basketball court.

 

i would only give asik away if we could get a soild 4 in some kinda package. aside from that he should stay. you dont give a piece like asik up unless you get something gold. hes too good to just give away for scraps, lets not pull a chicago. this year we have a chance to go far, our team is deep and we have a chance. lets run with it.

 

I don't want to trade Asik unless we can get a significant upgrade at the 4 for him. I would be reluctant to give him up even for that. I was just giving a reply to DD, that his value is more than a pick.

 

I also don't understand why we don't take more mid-range shots. For example, I think Lin is equally capable of taking those shots like Calderon did over him after pick-and-roll yesterday.

 

Because its more efficient for your attacking guards to get to the basket and either score, get fouled, or suck in the defense for open dunks/3 point shots. If you have them taking mid-range shots they are typically not going to get to the line, other players are not getting involved, and the guard will statistically(fact) miss more shots from further away unless you are Kobe Bryant who is one of the few players in the game in the last 10 years to actually shoot a higher percentage from 18 feet than from in the paint.

If the Rockets had bigs who could hit that 15 foot jumper you would see much more of a pick and pop game, but they dont have those type of bigs that can pick and pop.

Lin is seldom looking for his own shot when he's utilized in the pick and roll because of Howard & the outside shooters he's more likely to get good looks for when the defense collapses on him attacking the paint.

What would you rather have with Lin- A dunk from Howard & Asik/wide open 3 from someone like Parsons or Harden or would you rather have Lin coming off the pick to shoot a Kobe Bryant-like jump shot..... That's an easy one for me to answer.

 

Waste coming off the bench? Need I remind you how piss poor our defense was when Asik came out of the game last season?

I don't think think both Asik and Howard can co-exist in the same game (e.g. Twin Towers), however, to say that he's a "luxury that the team does not need" is rather asinine.

 

I agree with your points to a certain extent. However, if you hardly take ANY mid-range shots, the opposing defense will tend to pack the paint, and I would argue that pick-and-rolls are less effective this way for both the guards and big men. So, I think we should at least keep mid-range shots as a weapon and take a few per game to earn opponent's respect for our shots. That will open other opportunities more, like you mentioned.

 

I did not say a LOW pick, I am thinking you find a bad team that needs a center, and trade him there for a 1st round pick.

Free up the cap room and get a future pick.....that is pretty good stuff.

If you can get a viable starting PF, then by all means.....but I was just thinking of stockpiling future assets.

DD

 

I am thinking about his contract, his salary slot, and having a good NBA starting center wasting away on the bench.

He will be harder to trade next year due to his $15m salary (Not on the cap, but the team still has to pay it).

He is a luxury, we are talking about 12 minutes a game here, with Dwight playing around 36 - so the team should be fine with a backup center for 12 minutes a night, whether that is Greg Smith, Tjones, Camby or Dmo - we do not need Asik any more, IMO.

He is a good player, but he will waste away here, and we can use him to upgrade our team elsewhere - thus he is a luxury we can not afford, IMO.

DD

 

Jeremy lin doesn't look starting calibre.

-Inconsistent shooting
-Inconsistent defense
-Inconsistent playmaking

Jlin might have more "potential talent" than Bev, but Bev brings CONSISTENT defense and CONSISTENT scoring. He's a proven commodity in the playoffs. Jlin isn't. Jlin has played 1 playoff game in his career? People clamoring for Jlin to start are biased beyond belief.

 

If they pack the paint that means the shooters are free. If the guard defender keeps going under the screen, that's another question. Lin will just have to develop a step back 3 like Harden has.

 

Keep trolling bro. Eventually someone will take the bait.

 

nice response. Instead of refuting me with facts you insult me. Says a lot about yourself. Maybe you should think why people call you LOF.

 

Did you come to this decision from watching Asik's first preseason game after coming off an injury? You want to move him for a pick? Are you kidding?? Sometimes we agree, DD, and sometimes we don't. This is one of those times where I ardently disagree with you.

Geez! A pick!

 

Asik is now a backup player. Come playoff time, your best players play 40 min. Is it really worth it for Asik to play 5-10 min? His trade value is really high, and the priority should be to net a all-star STARTING pf. Asik+Jlin is 16 million in salary, should the right situation come, both of them will be shipped to get that star PF this team badly needs.

 

Well, explaining why Jeremy is inconsistent using facts is a good way for people to take you seriously instead of just inflammatory statements.

And I don't think anyone has referred to me as a LOF..

 

You obviously can't read. Might I suggest some remedial English lessons?

 

What do these strange letters on the screen mean?

 

The debate about Lin had been rinsed and washed a thousand times for the past year. People are tired, at least I am, of reading posts like yours which offered nothing but opinions. Not a single fact or stats backing up your opinions. If you didn't bring any facts into your post, why asked others to bring facts in their reply?

You are entitled to your opinions just as much as others who have opinions about you.