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ClutchFans Game Thread: Jazz @ Rockets 1/2/2005

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 1, 2005.

  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    I guess you didn't watch the Rockets when Rudy was coaching. Blown leads in the 4th quarter were commonplace.
     
  2. RocketFire

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    Amare is this... Amare is that... BS. He does not have any low post game. The only way he is scoring so much is because he is fitting with his team. He and Yao are not close to being called TD and KG or Shaq. If you put Amare in a slow down offense than he would be Hornets b****.
    i have been watching his offense since people start comparing him and Yao. The only way he will score is when his guards will penetrate and dish it out to him. He can not create his own shot to save his life. watch the highlights, all you will see is those fastbreak points, putbacks, or when he finishes what others created for him.
     
  3. Stack24

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    Actually the way i remember it was more of this...

    Going into half with a nice lead.

    Playing crappy in the 3rd and giving the team a chance to come back and lead.

    Playing catchup in the 4th.
     
  4. Stack24

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    Thank you. I think the same. The reason he is doing this good is because Nash is penetrating and causing the players to dobule him and he passes it off to Amare for a dunk. The guy dunks more than anyone in the league and he is young and athletic and will run the fast break with Nash and get easy opportunities.

    his game is basically that. he uses his athletic ability to get the shots. He doesn't shoot outside or anything like that....without a guard like nash he would play average at best in my opinion
     
  5. steddinotayto

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    um...you might want to watch his game NOW. and when you watch highlights, of course all you see are putbacks, dunks, etc. it's called HIGHlights for a reason. And i'm pretty sure he's scoring a lot because he's freakishly athletic.


    he's avg. 25/9 this year. he avg'd 20/9 last year in like 50 something games. it's not like a DRAMATIC increase. he's just simply learning how to score more and he's benefitting from the offense that was put in place. nothing wrong with that. but to say he's the product of the system is pretty much off.

    it's one thing to hate a player, it's another thing to just be stupid and not give credit where credit's due.
     
  6. zksb09

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    Yao does have a lot of barriers to becoming a superstar ie physical stamina, quickness, and he needs to have a more ultra-competitive personality...i think rite now at this stage of his career he is a disappointment in that he does not take over and dominate games consistently like we expected him too...however i do see improvement in things like his stamina which is much better than last yr and his effort on the court...i still think yao has a huge upside tho just cuz he is so damn big...if he figures out a way to harness his height and skill to the maximum potential he will be in a class with KG and possibly Duncan...if he does not then he will perenially remain a 2nd or 3d option on a mediocre playoff team
     
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    I think the comparison between Amare and Shawn Kemp are perfect..both came straight from high school, they both are above the rim type players in the prime of their careers. But when you put Kemp on a different team and some age on his legs, he was less than a mediocre player. Kemp could certainly never be put on the list with KG Duncan or Dream. Amare is just going to be a high flying PF/C in the prime of his career and eventually become a flop when Nash is gone. The most dominant players of all time could create their own shots and punish people in the post, amare is just feeding off of Nash's great passing ability. The bottom line is Amare is overhyped and is just the flavor of the month...thats my 2 cents, peace
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    Kemp was still a 20/10 player when he was traded to the Cavs the first year he was there...and then it went down hill. Amare avg'd 20/9 BEFORE nash so how can he be a flop when Nash leaves? And say that Nash plays there til his contract runs out. Amare would only be 28 or 29 and I'd say he would still have miles in his legs.

    It's funny that we all love Elton Brand and we all hate Amare when in fact they're posting almost the same numbers right now. And Elton went to Duke for 4 years while Amare is doing this in what should be his junior year in college.
     
  9. Hippieloser

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    The only reason we "hate" Amare is because he was named rookie of the year instead of Yao.

    The guy is the perfect compliment to Nash and I'm sure he's having a blast. The Suns are an exciting team and Amare was a good draft pick, one that there wasn't a lot of hype on.

    I enjoy watching him play Yao, because he takes it right at the tall guy, sometimes to the detriment of his team. Van Gundy-izing the game, slowing it down and defending well, is obviously the key to winning for the Rockets. I assume Wesley will guard Nash; we'll see how good this new guy really is on the ball.
     
  10. m_cable

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    Brand only went to Duke for 2 years. And Amare was 20 years old when he was drafted so they are even in terms of their age when coming into the league.

    I'm not trying to hate on Amare, he's a great player. But I'm not about to put him up there with the likes of Duncan and Garnett.
     
  11. steddinotayto

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    I don't like defending the guy. I don't like him either...especially last season. But ppl gotta hand it to him.

    I guess it's like when Dream and Ewing were in their primes . We never really acknowledged Ewing as a rival to Dream because we hated him and his monkeyways...but he was pretty good. *shrug*
     
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    i watched amare in olympics too. he was just waiting for the guards like AI and Marbury to penetrate and dish him the ball. i will give him his props when he is the creator, calling double teams., not the finisher.
     
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    damn!!! the b*stard drops 50 points in one game and some people are already putting him up there with hakeem.:rolleyes:
     
  14. IndianPlaya

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    Ya, thats wrong. amare is nowhere near hakeem. amare is a great finisher, no doubt, but more in the shaquile o neal mold. a great leaper, a great finisher around the basket. he doies not have the creativity with the ball or the outside touch to do what hakeem did.
     
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    He is averaging 25.6/8.5 before last night's game. For some reason, he gives an inconsistent rebounding effort. Last night was one of those big games for him rebounding wise.
     
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    Seattle in 1996 had a tremendous year with 62 wins and Kemp was a big part of the team along with Gary Payton and Detlef. I don't watch enough Suns games to know how Amare is really playing, but the Suns are headed on a pace to beat the Bulls record of 72 wins. Give credit where credit is due. Amare is a large part of the reason why the Suns are killing out there.
     
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    Did you ever watch Kemp play? Or did you just watch highlights? The guy was ridiculous. He had range out to 18 feet (like last-year's MoTaylor), he had crazy quickness, obviously an amazing leaper and high-flying dunker, and could finish with the best of them. Add that he could run the floor and play decent post defense...and he was one of the best PF's for about 2 years. Alcohol, drugs, and a lack of discipline to stay in shape killed his career...not the loss of a PG or chnage of a team.

    Amare is very good much earlier in his career, but he is benefiting from Nash. I agree that Amare is overhyped, but I also think he's developed and improved and could eventually be very good--Nash or not. (but he's not there yet)
     
  18. DollarBill

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    Yao will neve be the playe we've all wanted him to be. Yao just doesnt' have the assertiveness, confidence that A-list NBS starts have. Yao's stamina is a disgrace to all human beings. How could anyone be so fragile and weak? it's pathetic.

    Trade Yao to the Knicks for Nazr Mohammed, Vin Baker, and Bruno Sundov. In return, the Rockets get legit power forward in Baker, a promising center in Mohammed. Plus, the Rockets won't have to give Yao a max since Yao doesnt' deserve it.

    "cough", did i mention i live in NYC? ;)
     
  19. DollarBill

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    He's on a mission. :D
     
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    How did this thread turn into a Amare/Suns thread? I could care less about Amare and the Suns, I don't want to go "Back to the Future" and draft Amare over Yao, I don't wish we signed Steve Nash.

    The only thing I wish is that Yao could learn not to turn the ball over so frigging much. The Rox are in the 8th seed and are finally looking like a team. There is a definite change in this teams chemistry and makeup since these trades. We now have guys that can run a fast break, can dribble penetrate, thank god. I was tired of those boring low scoring games and with this team I think we can score 90-105 points every game. I can't wait until we play the likes of the Suns, Mavs and Spurs to see if this is an optical illusion.
     

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