ClutchFans Game Thread: Grizzlies @ Rockets 11/9/2004

Thank you, R2K:

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What I want to know is if we are being treated unfairly with the foul calls or if we really are a foul happy team. Both home game our opponent has had almost 30 free throws to our 15 or so. Last night was ridiculous with all the whistles.

 

DD--you say Yao needs to be more aggressive in getting position. Have you seen him do that? Well Im' sure you have...but when he gets aggressive in getting position, they call him for an offensive foul. He is learning the art that Shaq perfected...the in-between game where you're just aggressive enough that your overwhelming pure size and strength doesn't knock the guy to the ground..but it puts his butt in place.

 

http://www.emc2schools.com/YaoBoardAndDunk.avi

 

TMac is the best on the team to get the balls in Yao's hands. After TMac went out, Yao had a very hard time getting the ball. On a couple of sequences, Ward/Howard/Mo tried to throw the ball to Yao, but was unable to do it with a double team (one fronting and one on his right side).

Yao had no problem getting easy buckets in the first quarter when TMac was able to play at relatively feed speed.

 

thanks Vengeance....you rock...

 

i just got through watching my recording of the game, was playing halo 2 for too long, and the abuse that yao gets every game is ridiculous. yao is three times the post up player stromile swift yet i can't forsee a combined 2 games in which yao gets 13 free throws let alone one and that's what stromile had tonight.

the refs let yao's defender do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING they want to yao and rarely call a thing. it's total bullsh!t, made even more so when yao is the one who fouls out.

DD--you say Yao needs to be more aggressive in getting position. Have you seen him do that? Well Im' sure you have...but when he gets aggressive in getting position, they call him for an offensive foul. He is learning the art that Shaq perfected...the in-between game where you're just aggressive enough that your overwhelming pure size and strength doesn't knock the guy to the ground..but it puts his butt in place.

At the game it seems even more obvious. You are both right. At the end of the day, regardless of how bad referees may be elsewhere, NBA referees HAVE to improve. They called so many fouls the first half, then swallowed the whistle the second. The refs last night clearly let the game get away from them.

In general, though, I think what the refs fail to see about Yao is that he isn't jumping out of the court and up through anybody, as Swift did, and he isn't just bowling over people with his pure size, as Shaq does.

What Yao actually does seems to be the most legal....he gets position and tries to hold it. When the defender uses arms and pushing to get Yao off the block, Yao is neither quick enough to repost successful on teh other side or give a juke and NOBODY is big enough to do what Shaq does and just hold his ground. The refs have to start calling more fouls when he is pushed off the block. There is a disparity between what guards can get away with defensively, which is nothing - essentially strict enforcement of the no-contact rules - and what big men can get away with, which is a lot.

 

those guys were aawwwful. All they did was complain about the refs being biased against the Grizzlies. The whining got old real quick.

 

I totally agree....case in point is the one-handed dunk, did you see all the hands pulling on his jersey to prevent him from jumping up... and no foul is called!! I saw it on a 19-inch tv. and the refs missed it!! Something needs to be done about this.

 

Pau had Yao's arm wrapped up. That's why he could only get one arm up. Pau just got himself posterized!

 

I can only hear the audio, but no video at all. Do I need some plug-in?

 

The non-call that really blew my mind was in the first quarter when Yao made a spin move to the hoop and got bumped by one guy, hammered by the second then lost the ball when it looked pretty obvious he was hit on the arms as he was shooting. Yao looked like a ping pong ball.

I think there's some unwritten rule somewhere that when someone is the size of Yao Ming that contact has to include bodies flying to be considered a foul. Of course it would probably be called offensively...

Re: the Memphis announcers, they were pathetic. It was if they were parents watching their junior-high kids play.

 

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I watched the game on League pass. The Grizz announcers were absolutely sickening. They whined and cried like little Bey***ches the whole 4th quarter. In the meanitime, Yao was getting the typical BS calls when Stro' would initiate the contact going to the basket and they would call Yao for the foul. What is he supposed to do, just step out of the way and let him dunk? He has his hands straight up in the air on 80% of the fouls he's called for. Not to mention the non foul calls on Yao's defenders.

The announcers could not stop talking about how Miller was "clobbered" on his attempt under the basket. He wasn't even touched.

 

Also, when are opposing announcers going to stop confusing JJ with Mo?

I guess they look somewhat alike from a distance.

 

Agree 100%. It was comical. Apparently you're permitted to body and hack any player over 7'4"

 

So how do you guys think the Rox will do against the wolves thurs night? Any objective opinions?

 

Remember one play that Gasshole bumped Mo out for an offensive board. When he was called for a foul, he acted like he was the most wronged man in the world.

 

I think Pau was just arguing that the foul was on the floor and not in the act of shooting. Mo got the FT's, though.

I was thinking the same thing at first, though.