ClutchFans Game Thread: Blazers @ Rockets 3/16/2005

My 2 cents on this game. It really warmed my heart to finally see us NOT play down to the competition. It was TOTAL DOMINATION, as it should have been. A sign of a championship-calibur team.

Onward to the Boston game Friday.

J

 

Man, this thread is getting dumb and dumber.
powerless YOFs vs. a pathetic YOFH

 

lhphpl, yes. That maybe true. But remember. If one YOF post something that shows "favoritism" towards only Yao, other YOF will follow. And before you know it. The "pass the ball to Yao" posts gets too EXTREME...it becomes more than just one YOF.

That will not be allowed. Not because you don't have your freedom to express your opinion. You do. But that WE have a right to disagree with you. And we're not going to let anything come between this TEAM!

 

I agree with this 100%!

 

I feel so regretful for myself to talk to a no-brainer like you once more. You are just repeating your crap again and again without any real arguement.

It's not only you who can make a judgement for a real rockets fan. A rocket fan cannot make some suggestions to make the team better in a rockets winning streak or blowout night? Many people say james should take more shots and start over sura in the rocket winning streak. Are they a JOF? Your labeling standard of YOF in this thread is only because their suggestions are about Yao's touches. Then I can easily lable everyone to TOF, YOF, JOF, SOF, WOF... You like this kind of labeling in the forum?You are really pathetic.

 

I attended this forum last month since I just knew it recently. I am so glad we have a wonderful rockets right now compared with those years of frustrating losses by steve and cat. ( I love steve very much but just cannot stand the fact with him rockets is just a so so team) I do believe as a contributing member I have my right to express my opinion even in a rocket winning time. And I do not like and won't take the apparent craps thrown on me no matter who's his real target. If he really likes to fight a YOF, go and find a real one and do whatever he wants.

But again, there are ROCKETS fans who have the right to talk yao's touch in a rocket winning night.

 

I'm not going to figure out for you whether you are a Yao Ming first kinda guy fan or whether you are not. you need to figure that out yourself.

and im trying to tell you that there is something wrong with that only when you can't admit the fact that you have a greater emotional investment in Yao Ming over the team.. and that is a big reason why we are even having this discussion in the first place.

 

But that's not the same. Wanting James was a need because of the PG position... we were debating who was the better STARTER. Once the starter has been established, you don't hear people saying "James needs more touches." We just let them play their games within the TEAM.

But a YOF will not do that. They will want Yao to get touches *all the time.* Win by 2, win by 20, win by 30. They still complain that they want Yao more touches.

Yao is already the starter. So, it's not a debate about starting; James vs Sura. It's more about favoritism for shots/touches.

You suggest that Yao should get more touches, but you don't understand HOW he is going to get those touches. It's not as simple as just passing it to him. Sometimes he's used as a decoy. Sometimes, he the recipient of a pass and doesn't need to get the ball in the post. Sometimes, he used in the high-post jump-shot from a TMac drive/pass. Sometimes we blow a team out and Yao will get rests!

It just depends. But we are playing as a team. YOF will say they want Yao to do well, because that's what makes the Rockets do well. But that's not always true. Sometimes Yao will get only 16 pts. But others on the team will get 21pts, and 18pts. So, it's not true that Yao should have gotten 39! Sometimes Yao will have to take a back-seat. His double-teams make others better; more open!

 

if you did not have a greater emotional investment in Yao Ming over the team you would not even be talking to me, we would not be having this no-brained talk.

 

Can you guys just STFU?
Put more money in Tip Jar because you waste too much space, bankwidth and others' time.

 

Who needs your judgement whether or not I am a rocket fan? Suraly I know whose fan I am and what I am root for. We have this debate just becuase you you harsh words first according to your own narrow-minded standard judgement.

The following is one of your post. Surely I understand you want Yao to get more time for the good of rockets. But according to YOUR OWN standard you showed in this thread, you are a YOF since you want yao to get more time in a rockets winning night against golden states. You can understand your own motive in your post, why cann't you understand other's comments?



Quote:
Originally posted by Texas Stoke
31 minutes is a humilation for a player of Yao's caliber.

It's a very unique issue here.

Not in the history of the game has there ever been a player of Yao's talent who plays so few minutes.

Find me one player of Yao's caliber that plays less than 35 minutes a night.

To be a top player on a very good team, you have a responsibilty to your team to be out there for at least 35 minutes a night.

Yao is too important, too great of a player, to be on the bench every game in foul trouble.

 

What's your logic? Literally understand from your post, that anyone talking differently is YOF. If not YOF, he should not be talking to you over this. Whom do you think you are? A touchstone to seperate YOF or Rockets fan in clutchfans BBS?

I only know it is you who made insulting comments first and started all these meaningless debate.

I feel much pitty for having this stupid debate with you. This board should have been a sea of happiness after such a blowout winning.

 

In the third Q, Bill said that Yao took his third or fourth shots. It is a little strange for a big man to play to not score, rather than pick, defend a guard. This is not good for the long term goal.

 

lhphpl,

Once you are honest about this, there is no room for debate. Theres no argument. It ends. But as long as you’re not being honest with yourself and won’t admit that you have a greater emotional investment in Yao over the team, that leaves the door open and we can pointlessly debate and argue all day. so just be straight with me and then you’re home free.

 

You do understand I am not blaming and criticizing the Rockets players when I said that, right? You do understand that it is Yao who I think is responsible for not being on the court as much as I would like him to be, right?

 

I'm trying to help you understand that there is room for debate here with you because you are postioned on flimsy ground. once you admit and stand tall and proud of the fact that you have a greater investment in Yao over the team, it's over. the door is shut. you can sail off into the sunset with your head held high.

 

I cannot believe we still hear this kind of crap EVEN AFTER the coach (JVG) demanded his player to pass Yao the ball more, especially in the 4th.

This issue has been beaten to death. Yes, Yao is part of that problem, but it has more to do with our guards mentality than Yao's TO. The fact is we have never had a traditional PG, aka, passing first mentality PG, playing with Yao during his tenure with the Rockets. We tried M. Jackso & Strickland, but they are way over the hill.

Sura & Wesley are combo guards, M. James is a PG with a SG mentality, Barry looks to pass more, but he is not a PG either, and doesn't play enough as a bench player. There will be games where Yao will get less touches, shoot less due to various factors, e.g., matches ups, fatigue, blow-out games, etc. But, in general, we haven't gone to Yao enough. The fans knew it, the media talked about it, even JVG has mentioned several times.

We are fine as long as we are winning, but this style will not get us very far in the playoff. We need Yao to play a much larger role to do anything in the post season. This requires both Yao and his teamates to give an extra effort to make it happen.

 

Do I need you to judge if I am honest with myself? You are wrong becuase you too rely on your own standard or feeling or maybe sixth sense to judge others. Nothing wrong if you keep it to yourself, but you throw insulting words based on your judgement. The following are posts I made after the golden states game. I even spent 10 min to find an old archived box score to prove Yao ever had a bad shooting percentage than Tmac's 9/29. I am sure that time somebody labeled me as a Yao hater. Do you think I am a T-mac fan as well as a yao hater according to it?

1. Please do not blame T-mac. He did not do an excellent job as he did all this road trip but he did a good job tonight. He is the leader of rockets and he does have the right to brick I believe.

2. I donot remember Yao ever got 29 shot, but he definitely ever have percentage lower than 9/29.
Quote:
Originally posted by wnes
They were low percentage shots, weren't they? Maybe you miss his good'n ol days in Orlando Magic.

Do you seriously think Yao could shoot worse than 9/29?

3. http://www.nba.com/games/20041102/HOUDET/boxscore.html
Y. Ming C 32 2-9 0-0 3-6 2 8 10 0 4 0 3 1 7

Please, do not just argue for argue...
Quote:
Originally posted by wnes
Oh yeah, 0/1 is definitely lower than 9/29. You got me on that.

4. I did not want to do anything else. I just want to prove one point:
Yao ever had percentage lower than 9/29 besides 0/1.
Do not get me on anything else.

Quote:
Originally posted by wnes
Glad you brought it up.

Let's see, in that game Rox had a freaking total 8 assists - a great tribute to JVG's protege Charlie Ward.

Rox lost 79-87.

Yao attempted 9 shots in 32 minutes of playing time.

Are you telling us if Yao had shot 18 more times, he would have made only 4 more?

 

The argument over YOFs has been anything but meaningless on these boards.

 

It's been worse than meaningless, it's been stupid.

Edit: Geez, people. We just won a game by 31 points, who cares how many times Yao shoots or who is a YOF or not .