ClutchFans Game Thread: Blazers @ Rockets 3/16/2005

Yeah, I was just responding to people who say he doesn't care about stats. Never heard the max thing, but I assume fa--- is referring to a chinese media account.

 

Wow, the team just had blow-out win and I'm seeing more arguing and bashing.

 

Thanks a lot for the audio links, Blatz. The first one did work and the second wasn't quite the one we're looking for. Anyway, I listened to the second link for while 'cause the Indie vs. Jazz game was on. Then I switched to link one where the rockets game is on. I made one mistake though: the abacast player recommended by the site wasn't working very well until I switched to media player. Quite to my surprise, the blazer's broadcasters were rooting for us. They talked about us being the team to beat only behind the spurs,ect. Great blowout game. Special thanks go to blatz for the radio link.

 

The fastbreak and the Yao's putback is fantastic! Thanks brothers!

http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19INJXZ6G3KDV2G4M3QOH88OE9

 

I'll take a game in which Yao gets 25/10 and the team blows out the opponents than a game in which Yao gets 13/7 and the team blows out the opponents. A Rockets fan is entitled to wanting a better game, a better Yao, as well as a better team. These three things are totally related and not contradictory, because a better Yao leads to a better game and better team. Those who wet their panties after a win can't think long term. Don't let the YOF labeling cover up your mouth people, nobody can blame you for wanting more as a Rockets fan.

 

we had a blowout game, why still fighting?

Yo have 13-7 in 20 mins, I think this is reasonable, If we face a good team, Yao will have more shots in 4th and should have 20-10

 

Do you or anyone else have access to the most recent road Sonics and Warriors game highlights in AVI as well?

 

To YOF: Stop bit*hing about Yao's touches every game (every other game is ok )

To Anti-YOF: Next time you jump on the bandwagon that Yao
doens't live up to the expection because of his medicore stats,
bit*h-slap yourself 300 times (But if he has 7 bad games, you
are welcome to the bandwagon )

 

Great highlights. Like the power dancers' new sexy uniform. Thanks, R2K.

 

Yeah that's true for this game, but I'm tired of people lumping the YOFs as well as Rockets fans of long term thinking together, as if there was no difference. They may have the same appeal, but different motives. The YOFs want Yao goes to the hall of fame because of high stats. The Rockets fans of long term thinking want Yao to have high stats so the team can establish the pattern of winning games with a dominant Yao. They're not kidding themselves that the Rocks can win it all with a bunch of role players. Meanwhile, there is YOF haters lumping them together, calling Rockets fans as YOFs to dismiss their opinions. There's nothing wrong in being a YOF, but there's something wrong in calling Rockets fans as YOFs. It dismisses their loyalty and fanship and therefore is offensive. One poster has already expressed his dissatisfaction because of the labeling practice. It not only insults the fans but also boycotts their freedom to express their opinions. That's why there's been fighting.

 

I'm lost here...

Am I considred a YOF if I think he should get more touches, even though I think the teams success in much greater? I would like him to get more touches but if not, its ok if the team are winning. If the teams are losing and he ain't getting enough touches b/c of it and I get a little angry will I be labled as a YOF?

I ask b/c I don't want to be put in a group like that and needs to know what I should watch out for which is hard to do since I really like Yao, but not as much as the whole team though....sorry, I just don't like that term and I don't want to get insulted if I said something wrong.

 

Don't blame Yao for Rockets' next loss, because with Rockets winning more games, either guards will forget how to pass the ball to Yao, or Yao will forget how to shoot the ball.

 

rockets fan? no no, not one Rocket fan was complaining at that time about the game or the Rockets. just coming back from a historical road trip. on their way to winning 6 games in a row. when the team is playing flawlessly. You may be a Yao Ming fan if you say you're a Rocket fan and then post this:


TECH

03-16-2005 07:55 PM

If anybody want to punk Yao about not scoring crazy numbers, it's because he is overlooked too often.

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TECH

03-16-2005 08:00 PM

TMac had Yao in prime position and elected to take it himself. Sura the same. Padgett had a chance as well to throw it in, but dribbled in instead and passed it back out.
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lhphpl

03-16-2005 08:06 PM

Agree. Just don't understand.
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chl

03-16-2005 08:08 PM

Rocks only need Yao when they are down, and need a bail out.

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lost_elephant

03-16-2005 08:28 PM

give yao some more shots. how is he ever going to produce when he finishes a half of basketball with 2 shots.
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Gatorfan76
03-16-2005 08:30 PM

Wow, 2 minutes left in the first half , Yao had all of 2 touches --what is up with that ?

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chl

Member

03-16-2005 08:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gatorfan76
Wow, 2 minutes left in the first half , Yao had all of 2 touches --what is up with that ?


Sura would say: No, more than that. He touched it plenty times, look at his rebound and FTs. Hahaha...

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lhphpl
03-16-2005 08:32 PM

Yeah. But we are winning on a crap team. So if we are facing spurs or heat, will this help us?

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choujie

Senior Member
03-16-2005 08:32 PM

So Yao is on the court only to pick up fouls.

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Gatorfan76

03-16-2005 08:46 PM

I don't think its about being a YOF--its just stupid basketball to rely on the perimeter game when you have a center of Yao's ability patrolling the paint. We're lucky the shots are falling tonight because we are not playing inside- out basketball...

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fa7999

03-16-2005 08:51 PM

I think that Mr. Greedy knows it perfectly that the only chance that the Rockets win a title is that *** develops into a dominant player (of course, we can win if Duncan, Shaq et al are all out for the season), and he knows by giving Yao 2 shots a half is not gonna cut it. But it's human nature, and Yao is not even Chris Webber who would have complained loud about not getting the ball and PT.


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Terrible timing by you guys. Thats what it boils down to. Its your timing, its just bad. You are going to have to pick and choose your
opportunities to voice your self-inflicted anguish over Yao not getting touches at a more reasonable time, not when the Rockets as a team are at their best. when the Rockets are at their best you need to be at your best. that means you are going to have to realize this is not a YAO MING forum and respect the other fans and the fact that this is a Houston Rockets board. see its not so much a culture thing, it's really a univerasl sentiment to be 'considerate' and it is very 'inconsiderate' to gripe and whine and complain for 'YOUR PLAYER" on a HOUSTON ROCKET board at a time when the Team is playing flawlessly. If the Rockets are losing, or they're mediocre, or they're not on a winning streak, then you can't go back to that repetitive complaining. But until then, if I come to a game thread during times like these and see fans of Yao reacting the way they did in the above posts, i'm going to react the way I did.

 

So frustrating to see this debate is still alive. Ok, let's summarize it. Here is my answer to your question.

Don't know other YOF haters, but by the definition from Texas Stoke, definitely you are a YOF. He never distinguishes a true YOF or a Rockets fan who thinks Yao's development is important for rockets. Anyone who like to see yao get more touches are labeled by him as a YOF.

The following are all posts I made in this thread. Texas Stoke made a judgement according to these posts that I am a YOF, a selfish fan who should go away from this forum. Please, anyone enlighten me what I did in all these posts to demonstrate that I am a YOF who only cares Yao¡¯s stats and put it over Rockets success?


1. Agree. Just don't understand.

Quote:
Originally posted by TECH
TMac had Yao in prime position and elected to take it himself. Sura the same. Padgett had a chance as well to throw it in, but dribbled in instead and passed it back out.

Not to nitpick or criticize, but I just don't understand it. If it's close at the end of the game, you can bet that Yao will get plenty of touches.


2. Above average.

Quote:
Originally posted by macfan
I am listening to the game on portland radio. Can somebody tell me what the T-Mac dunk was like? Was it nice or ordinary? thanks

3. man, wesley has been hot for all these games. This guy is amazing!

4. Yeah. but to give the ball to him and let him shoot is the best way to do that.
Quote:
Originally posted by TECH
Rockets up 34-25 after 1.

We're doing well, but as for Yao, he needs to be set up by his teammates to get most of his shots.
Whether he's actually NEEDED to score or not, I'm sure he wants to be a part of the game. We need to keep Yao's confidence up and keep his mindset in the right place-being a factor.


Go ROX.


5. Portland looks so amateur...

6. No. I think blazers are too crap.

Quote:
Originally posted by mirror_image
Up by 16 already, are we really that good?

YESSSSS!!!



7. Yeah. But we are winning on a crap team. So if we are facing spurs or heat, will this help us?
Quote:
Originally posted by smoothie
i don't know, but we are winning.


8. Are you done yet? Why you are so eager to lable others as YOF? I have been seeing this kind of comments from you all the time. It begins to make me sick now. No one wants Yao to get more touches just only for the purpose of Yao getting more touches. We want him to get more touches to make the rockets a better team.
Quote:
Originally posted by Texas Stoke
while yao was on the bench with t-mac he was happy for his teammates/friends and all these YOF do is whine and complain. YOF are a joke. you make me freaking sick. one of the best half of the season by the Rockets and there is nothing but whining and complaining for Yao.

selfish fans of a selfless player.

 

Yao is humble and unselfish, but not stupid. Don't treat him like he is stupid just because he is 7'6 and come from China.
Remember Nike's deal ?

 

It's nothing wrong with your argument and you don't like YOF although I think definitely they have every right to post in this forum just like you do. Your mistake is that you JUDGE in YOUR standard that every fan wanting Yao to get more touches is automatically a YOF and you throw harsh words first. You cited two of my posts to sum up your feeeling that I am a YOF. I quoted all of my posts from this thread and put them in a above post, if possible, I would like to see people in this board to make a poll that whether I am a YOF or a rockets fan who think Yao should get more touches to get rockets a better team.

Always, after such a blow out night, there used to tons of exciting fans watering here venting their happiness. But last night, only the debate continues after the win. What a pity.

 

What's your point? Who in this forum or in the team think Yao is stupid and treat him as a fool?

 

Just based on his FG percentage, Yao should get way more touches. However, Yao's turnovers and other player's turnovers caused by tryng to pass the ball to Yao are too high. This prevent Yao from getting more touches. If the team forces the ball to Yao, the turnovers will be very high, the tempo will be slow, Yao will be easily tired and Yao's reboud number will also come down.

Right now JVG is using Yao correctly. Yao will get more touches in a few years when he further develops.

 

If aren't sure whether you are a Yao Ming fan or not, you most likley are a YOF.

its not evil like realegal says though.

i don't think you an inferior low man or anything.

theres nothing wrong with being a Yao Ming first fan, team second kind of fan.

sure it aint all the way right, but it's not evil or a bad thing.

but what aint right and what is wrong is to think Yao Ming first on a Houston Rocket board and type out those feelings while the team just came back from one of the best road trips in franchise history and is in a phase of playing their best basketball. Thats when the veil is lifted, and although you may say things like go rockets and put on faces, whats there is pretty obvious - which is a fan with a heavy emotional investment in Yao Ming. And thats where we begin to seperate and paddle in opposite directions and end up looking at eachother from two opposite shores. This is a Houston Rocket board, the team is playing flawlessy and at their very best, and you want Yao Ming to get more touches so the team can be better - you want to sell me some ocean front property in arizona while your at it?

 

Thanks. This is a very valid arguement and good answer to the fans who want to see more Yao-touches for the good of rockets.