[Clutchfans]Adelman has no interest in playing Tmac

I think you missed this part "(maybe more?)"

That said, Scola+McGrady would give them a much better shot to win imo...Maybe Lowry too...

 

The time for McGrady to see himself out the door has long passed. Just 'X'in the days on the calendar now.

 

Nope, didn't miss anything. Your trade proposition was so ridiculous there was nothing that could possibly redeem it. Maybe in your next hypothetical trade, you can orchestrate a multi-team trade where we give up McGrady, Cook, Barry, and Dorsey and in turn receive Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard, and Nash.

There's absolutely no reason for the Heat to give up O'Neal for McGrady. Both he and McGrady have huge expiring contracts, but O'Neal is actually playing, contributing, and most importantly, has size.

And in response to your thought that the Heat would be better with Scola/McGrady as opposed to O'Neal/Beasley, I hate to ask, but do you have some mental deficiency? That's the only scenario where I can imagine your scenario having any semblance of logic. Let's discuss.

McGrady and Wade both need the ball to be effective. Of the two, its going to be Wade that gets the touches. This might relegate McGrady into being a role player (Similar to how Larry Hughes went from all-star caliber to role player while playing with Lebron). So how do you think that McGrady can help the Heat? You think Wade will defer to him?

Also, you underestimate the importance of big men in the league. They're the most crucial piece to a championship roster. Why do you think that big men with potential always get drafted near the top of their class?

It really is mind-boggling how you think the Heat will be improved by taking away their best big and replacing him with a redundant sg/sf. I know I haven't touched on the impact of the Scola/Beasley tradeoff or the possible addition of Lowry, but Scola isn't a substantial upgrade over Beasley, and Lowry isn't much of an upgrade over Chalmers (especially if you consider the fact that Wade has a lot of the ball handling duties).

 

Will someone bite on Tracy returning to an all-star esque form?

Maybe.

Is a healthy Tracy McGrady better than Jermaine O'Neal?

By far.

Would Scola/Landry and one of our PG's be enough to attain Beasley?

It might, imo.

 

I believe Tmac and J O'neal are most likely in the same situation...jaz like last year when Jermaine got back and traded to the Heat..so Tmac is tradeable.

 

Not someone who already has an all-star swingman.

Depends how you define "healthy". Do you associate that with the 05 McGrady? 08 McGrady? Also, theres a difference between being a better player and being more integral to a winning team.

Bigs are more important that swingmen.

Why would they want Scola or Landry when they have Beasley? It's like how Bosh wouldn't be much of an upgrade (if at all) over Scola/Landry.

 

December 15th is right around the corner.....a lot of guys are free to be traded on that date.

DD

 

I am not sure that Wade and McGrady could co-exist, but I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone would be tempted in an effort to get more talent around Wade before the deadline.

As you might know, I am no McGrady supporter. I am all for trading him for a bag of chips(Cheetos please), but I think we might be able to fool someone, and I think it is still possible the McGrady could become a force again.

I think they would want Scola because (imo) he is ready to win. Beasley is a few years away from really having an impact on winning. With D-Wade expiring in a few months, I don't think he would want to leave a core of Battier/Scola/McGrady/Lowry/Landry/Brooks. (Whoever would get it done...)

I agree with most of what you said though. Pat Riley has traded youth for veterans for a championship run in the past, maybe he would do it again. Sure, It is no Shaq, but we could provide championship pieces such as Shane and Luis.... Lowry and Landry.... Brooks and Tracy...

What pieces these are I have no idea...Just speculating...

 

Explain. I remember hearing something like that, Can I get a refresher course?

 

When can a team trade a free agent it signs? Do they have to keep him forever?

Generally, a player cannot be traded until three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later. This does not apply to draft picks, who can be traded 30 days after signing their contract. In addition, if the player is playing under a one-year contract and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the contract, he can't be traded without his consent. If consent is granted and the player is traded, then he loses his Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, and enters free agency as a Non-Bird free agent. For example, Seattle signed Vladimir Radmanovic to a one-year qualifying offer on September 21, 2005. Therefore, Radmanovic could not be traded at all until December 21, 2005. After December 21, 2005, he could only be traded if he consented to the trade (he did consent and was traded to the Clippers). He became a Non-Bird free agent with the Clippers in the summer of 2006 (and signed instead with the Lakers).

For sign-and-trade transactions, the initial trade which completes the transaction is obviously allowed, even though it occurs right after the player is signed. What's not clear is whether the player's new team can subsequently trade him prior to three months or December 15. While a literal reading of the CBA might suggest that such players cannot be subsequently traded, the league actually considers this situation to be undefined, and won't resolve the matter until a team actually tries to make such a trade.

 

I've seen a lot of posts on here about people wanting Chris Paul. Understand that I don't think the Rockets could even get NOH to listen unless they started with the words Yao and Aaron. Does anyone here think Les would be willing to trade Yao? I don't think so. Having said that I would certainly would do it in a heart beat. Chris Paul is a game changer and a closer. Don't know if NOH is really looking to trade him.

How many times have we heard that a superstar is on the block but he never gets traded? Would anyone here have been willing to trade Dream for Odlen Polynice, Xavier McDaniel and Dale Ellis? Thats a good package but none of them would really make up for the loss of Dream and I'm guessing when it comes time to pull the trigger most GM's would look at trading a true superstar this way. Chris Paul is a true superstar in every since of the word.


EDIT: Crap!! I put this in the wrong thread!

That leaves us with the obvious guy on the team that still needs to be traded... TMac. If we traded Yao how do we get a big for TMac?

 

Just thought I would add that I think Coach Adelman was not at practice because of t-mac. Looks like he went to testify for his son in Portland. His son was arrested on a DUI due to a sting operation -- some messy stuff with rich folks involved

From [Fanhouse]:

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2009/...ires-pi-in-effort-to-get-high-school-coach-f/

 

wizards might be good option after all, it seems like the chemistry out there is going down hill + they their record says it all

arenas recently called out butler, and 4-9 record is highly unsatisfying. bad things going on in their locker room, so i think getting butler for tmac would be a good idea

 

+1

i dont usually agree with knote32's post since im a tmac fan. but tmac if he's healthy (im sure dwade has a better picture since they worked out together in the summer with grover) and scola would be better for them than o'neal and beasley.

beasley, despite his youth and potential, has problems. and if he doesnt smarten up, he'd be another e.griffin (which i hope he doesnt turn out to be). o'neal is older than scola. and scola hustles more.

as for tmac not able to co exist with dwade? of course not. at this point of his career, tmac's deferring to whomever wants to lead a team. he's been able to work with yao all these years and he's been the best entry pass player for yao which shows he's willing to give up the ball to the efficient scorer.

and d.wade knows he needs better help to win another championship.

if i were the heat, id ask for jermaine taylor as well just to get some youth in return as well. or maybe swap chalmers and lowry.

 

Remember how I questioned Knote's mental competency? You make him look like a genius.

Why do you think McGrady is willing to defer? The last time he played, he blamed his ineffectiveness on a lack of touches. So what're you basing this assumption on?

And you think that b/c he passed the ball to Yao, he's willing to give the ball up to the efficient scorer? If that's true, he'd average less than 10 shots per game.

 

cmon. he's still gonna take his own share of the shots. he's paid to score and do whatever's needed to win. but it doesnt mean he's not deferring. just look at his assists. and youre quoting him that one time when he sucked last year whereas he's said it time and again that it's yao's team. if he wasnt willing to defer then he'd still be league scoring champ with the rockets. but he isnt anymore, because he shares the ball.

and cmon, insulting fellow posters? why dont you just address the opinions instead of insulting people?

 

Thank God I don't work for you....

By that logic the only responsibility a player has is to show up... no need to play hard, stay in shape or perform well. I guess by your logic T-Mac is a model employee....

I may be in the minority but the Rockets are not handling this well. People are forgetting how good T-Mac has been when healthy. He is still in his prime age wise and I suspect he will perform at a high level in the future

 

Ehh kind of true. A team that is contending and has a big expiring contract or two could certainly take him on. His contract is a BENEFIT. It is 23 million and expiring after this season.

 

His assist numbers aren't that great. You have to remember that he was the Rockets' primary ball handler in years past.

He says it's Yao's team yet goes out and takes more shots than Yao. Yeah....it sure looks like Yao's team to me.

What a foolish sentiment. If he were an efficient scorer, then maybe he would've been the league scoring champ w/ the Rockets. However, his brand of inefficient scoring isn't conducive to championship basketball. Yao was simply a better option as well as a cash cow for Les. Do the math.

If a poster's arguments are illogical and idiotic, they deserve to be called out on it. If I say something stupid, I'd want someone to call me out on it.

 

you are a negative poster! people don't like reading what you have to write when your such an absolute tool - your level of douchebaggery is astonishing!

*ignore*