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ClutchCity.Net Summer Pro League Report : Game 2 - Rockets 79, Raptors 86

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dr of Dunk, Jul 12, 2003.

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  1. heypartner

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    No, he was a starter.
     
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  2. MacBeth

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    DoD...


    Thanks for the recap on the Rockets stuff...


    As I am also a Raptors fan, am interested in them as well, especially Bosh, and to a lesser extent Jeffries. Can you tell me how they did, and especially what you think of Bosh the player, both now and what you see as his potential.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. Dr of Dunk

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    Not sure why I'm even bothering to respond, but what the hell...

    1) I'm not trying to be godlike.
    2) What did Kenyon Martin do in the final game of the championship series. His offense must suck.
    3) I don't recall the scouts and CD ever saying this guy has "no offense". In any case, I wasn't referring to them.
     
    #23 Dr of Dunk, Jul 12, 2003
  4. heypartner

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    that's not what Rudy said. Rudy said that the team was regressing and he was getting tired of having to do remedial training in practice rather than moving forward with his plans.

    I think what you are confusing is your comment that the NBA should shorten the amount of games, and me picking up on that in full agreement to say that is part of the reason why systems are so hard to implement and change. The league does not have enough practice. I think we agree on that.
     
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  5. Dr of Dunk

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    By "he's raw, but not Olajuwon raw", I mean Badiane's raw can't even begin to compare to Olajuwon's raw. Olajuwon had no game other than the dunk, but it was fearsome. Badiane's game isn't fearsome. Olajuwon had a meanstreak in his version of "raw". Badiane is not like that. Olajuwon's great athleticism and instincts overcame the fact he wasn't well-versed in where to be and what to do on a court. Badiane's athleticism is nowhere near that. In case that's not clear enough, Olajuwon would have destroyed Chris Bosh in any stage of Olajuwon's career.
     
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  6. BobFinn*

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    D0D, how was the crowd? Sellout? Cheering for Bosh? Any pics from tonights game? When can we see them?
     
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  7. heypartner

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    Oh, lighten up. It's no different that you saying people are "off their rocker." I just was rushed and picked the wrong phrase. I apologize.

    You know I love your recaps.
    You know that.
    I've said it like at least a dozen times, and to you in person.
    What I didn't know is that I had to be guarded with my words.

    back to topic: Check out the video. His shot is Cato like.
     
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  8. Dr of Dunk

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    The only person that I really focused on was bosh and he showed glimpses of greatness. I'm trying to compare his game with somebody's but it's almost a moot point when you're just watching a summer league game. After all, he's going up against garbage players. I don't really follow college ball, so I really didn't know what to expect when watching him. What I saw was someone that was deceptively explosive. He was just as comfortable throwing down 16 foot jumpers as he was taking you one-on-one and then ramming a vicious dunk down on your head. He had 2 missed dunks where he exploded by or over people. One would've been a nasty posterization of Demarco Johnson, but he was called for a foul and clanged the dunk off the rim. The crowd still exploded with ooh's and aah's. Another dunk attempt, he absolutely juked the shorts off of Malick.

    He's seemed to be a good player and there was no way any of the Rockets we had out there was going to stay with him 1-on-1. I don't recall his point total, but he could've done more damage had he been the focal point of the offense. If he can take it inside against the "real" NBA talent, he seems to have one hell of an inside-outside game. But again, I've seen him now for a total of 1.5 games.

    -- EDIT --

    I forgot you asked about Chris Jefferies. He didn't do much of anything from what little I saw of him. I didn't focus much on the Raptors' defense as I was trying to jot down notes and take pics.

    Tierre Brown split point guard duties with Mateen Cleeves. Cleeves ran the show fairly well, but got into foul trouble from what I recall. Tierre didn't look to score as much as he had in last year's SPL.
     
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  9. MacBeth

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    DOD...

    Thanks very much. In terms of comparisons, the players most mentioned are Camby, J. O'Neal, Duncan and by far the most common, Garnett. Considering he's 19, do you see anything in those?
     
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  10. Dr of Dunk

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    The crowds for these games are fairly light unless you happen to be going for a Lakers game. Then the game is packed. Since the Lakers and Clippers were to play right after the Rockets/Raptors game, the place was packed by the time the Rockets/Raptors game was over.

    The crowd was cheering for anyone that was doing highlight reel action. They were booing the Rockets and the refs towards the end because they kept fouling the Raptors. The crowd was mostly LA fans, so they wanted the game to end as quickly as possible so they could watch their team(s).

    I have a few pics I took from yesterday and today. I'll try my best to post them tonight, but I re-installed my OS on this hunk-o-junk laptop and forgot to put any image or video editing software on it. I took a few videos of some action that I'll put online when I get back home on the 20th.
     
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    Thanks D0D. Jonathan Feigen better be on his toes. I heard The Chronicle editors are looking for a few good sportswriters;)
     
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    Camby - I can see the comparison. I didn't follow Bosh's rebounding numbers, but he didn't seem to be patrolling the paint or anything. I didn't notice any incredible defensive presence from Bosh, either.

    J. O'Neal - I don't think at the point he's anywhere near O'Neal's talent level, but again, I do see the comparison. He just doesn't seem to be the force that a Jermaine is yet. From what I saw he has the ability.

    Duncan - Duncan's a freak from days gone by. I don't see Duncan's game much in Bosh. Duncan seems like one of those guys that just does everything right on offense and defense. I didn't get that feel from Bosh. Bosh does have the outside shot, the soft touch, the ability to throw it down with force, and the ability to put it on the floor, though.

    Garnett - Garnett's another freak that comes along once in a while. Bosh is nowhere near that active. The Garnett's and Duncan's and maybe the Jermaine's are on another plateau. Garnett is everywhere on offense and defense. Garnett can respectably guard just about anything that moves. I'm not sure I could say that about Bosh after just watching 1.5 games.

    If Bosh can keep the inside-out game going and improving against NBA-level competition, he'll be damn good. Whether or not he'll be Garnett or Duncan good is another story as you're talking about 2 of the greatest F's to play in the past couple of decades. From what I've seen, I don't see why he can't be Camby good.
     
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    If you guys have any other questions, throw it out here... I'll log on again later tonight and check back. I'm headin' out... :)

    Thanks again to RF34 for the conversation at the game. It was fun, man!
     
    #33 Dr of Dunk, Jul 12, 2003
  14. Will

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    Is there anyone here who thinks Jeff Van Gundy would have drafted Bostjan Nachbar?
     
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    Are you making fun of Rudy?
     
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  16. DearRock

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    DoD, thanks again.

    I did not see the game but I would simply say that Ba should be on the roster. If one considers his growth over the last year, he is going to kill some people in next year SL, because he is going to soak up all of what Ewing has to offer. As far as I am concerned Akeem was a god and I named one of my sons after him. However this boy, Ba, had skills that Akeem did not have. His free throw stroke is better that Akeem's was. His footwork in the post, offensively is pretty good. From what I heard and have seen he is as hungry to learn as anything. I can see him benefiting from Ewing coaching Ming, because he would be sitting on a bench and watching them work and then aggressively work on the same moves himself. When he starts adding the fakes to those moves he will be going to the line often.
     
    #36 DearRock, Jul 12, 2003
  17. The Real Shady

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    If not Van Gundy a lot of other coaches probably would have. On many draft sites there was talk that Nachbar was one of the most NBA ready players in the draft and would have an impact his first season.
     
    #37 The Real Shady, Jul 12, 2003
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    Who knows.

    I do remember them being wowed by his shooting at Westside.

    I didn't know Around-The-World was part of our draft evaulation process.

    That's how Moochie got his contract. He beat Rudy in a game of H-O-R-S-E.
     
    #38 RIET, Jul 12, 2003
  19. Verbatim

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    Dr of Dunk,

    Someone mentioned that probably no-one from this Summer League will make the team. Does that include Boki? How about Badiene?

    Boki songs like he needs to work out his game time gitters so that his "true" shooting skills can be showcased. True? Or is there no hope for the guy, like Dan Langi?

    I too hope that Mr. B makes the team because his hustle will force Eddie G. (if he's still around) to step up his game.

    Thanks for the summary.

    Keep up the good work. It's real boring around here without any real games....
     
    #39 Verbatim, Jul 12, 2003
  20. xiki

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    I don't believe JVG believes in much of what was done/drafted/committed prior.

    I am not sure that's a bad thing. I am counting on a very strong January - April, and play into May.
     
    #40 xiki, Jul 12, 2003
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