ClutchCity.net Game Thread: Clippers @ Rockets 3/12/2003

At the end of the day....Miller could have still won it by making his 2nd Free throw.

I am just happy for the win.....

DD

 

Nowhere does the rule mention leaning.

 

WEll, it was obvious that the refs didn't call a lane violation because he stepped over the actual line... b/c he wasn't even remotely close to stepping over the line. They called it on that huge lean-in maneuver that he does after he lets the ball go.

 

610 AM was very wrong. Posey clearly fouled Millers arm with over a second left to play. It was not just a touch foul as Posey grabbed his arm from behind as Miller was going up for the shot. Posey is a complete moron because Miller was of balance with Cat all over him. The shot would have been pure luck had it gone in but it was still a foul.

 

No he couldn't have. The ref would have just called a lane violation on that one too. He made the 1st free throw, and that got waived off (watch the replay, it's not even close to any sort of violation). Why would the 2nd be any different?

 

rigggggghhhhhht........................

 

Crossing the plane means leaning just like football. If any part of the ball gets across the goal line it is a TD. If your body leans over the line then you are breaking the plane.

Think of it this way, the rule was written to prevent Wilt from dunking free throws. If someone dunks a free throw his feet never touch the ground until the ball is through the hoop, but he does cross the plane.

 

Righttttt what? Do you think the ref really thought Andre was in violation on the first throw? Aside from the absurdity of deciding a game on such an idiotic call, there was clearly nothing wrong with the way Andre shot that one.

I suppose Andre could have shot a 3 or something like that, but he's only about a 10% shooter from out there.

 

If it's a violation to cross the plane, then only about 10% of all free throws are legal. Watch a players knees and arms when they shoot free throws. Watch the hands on the follow-through. It's clearly talking about stepping across the line.

 

Crossing the plane does not mean stepping across it just means crossing. The way the rule reads if any part of your body crosses the plane then you have commited a lane violation.

Just like in football, all you have to do is cross the plane of the goal line to make a touch down, no part of your body has to make contact with the ground you only have to cross the plane with the ball.

Nowhere in the rule does it mention stepping across either.

 

But if someone dunks a free throw, his feet do leave the ground. Isn't that illegal?

Then what about a player's arms on the follow through? Every player's arms cross the plane of the free throw line before the ball gets to the rim. Aren't arms part of a player's body? My anatomy book says they are.

 

moomoo - Do you have any idea what "crossing the plane" means? Apparently not.

Posey's foul should have been a no call. The ref went with the benefit of the doubt on the free throw violation because he knew he totally screwed up on calling the Posey foul.

Even with that Andre Miller had a chance to seal it still but choked.

 

Was the ref that called the lane violation, the same one that called the foul on Posey.

While it was clear that Posey fouled him, how many times do the Refs call a foul with 1-2 sec's left in a game. Especially a TIE GAME!!!. I have seen players get hacked all the time, with no call on the play.

I think they gave us the lane violation, since they could not take back the foul on Posey (after reviewing the play).

But as Dakota stated, Miller could of easily made the 2nd free throw to win the game.

 

You are not seeing what I'm saying.

Use what little spatial visualization ability you have, or please explain to me what you take as "crossing the plane."

 

Yes, it was the same ref.

 

He leaned over with most of his body before the ball hit net. See moomoo's post. I subscribe to interpretation #2. Shooters who lean too much have sometimes gotten nailed this year. This isn't the only time this has happened. And Didn't Miller even have this called against him earlier this year against the Rockets late in the game?

The Clips announcers after Miller's 1st imfraction tonight even admitted that it was for Miller and Shaq that this rule change was done.

By the way, I appreciate the congeniality of your original post. Welcome.

 

WOw, we robbed the clippers this one.

But they are the clippers...

 

When I saw the replay I thought it was a bad call as well but after reading the rules I don't see how you can argue that it was not a good call as most of Millers body had crossed the plane well before the ball hit the basket.

 

No it wasn't. Courtney Kirkland called the foul on Posey. Jim Clark called the lane violation.

 

i hate to ask again but did anyone else hear this, or is it my imagination