ClutchCity.net Game Thread: Celtics @ Rockets 1/13/2003

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Francis shoots more than Mobley, Francis dominates the ball more than Mobley, and Francis is the point guard. Mobley is at most a contributing reason for Yao not getting the ball more in better position, but he certainly is not the primary reason.

 

That was the worst argument you've put up yet.

A. Getting "their shot at it" was an impressive accomplishment for them because, like I edited into that post, it was a team led by gaurds. It's very rare that a team like that can rack up that many W's. Ming and Griffin's presense will only make them better, but a backcourt like that is gravy. And what do you mean by "had" their shot anyways? You think that they won't make the playoffs anymore?

B. What the hell does the number of people who know about Mobley outside of Houston have to do with the price of tea in Shanghai? That number, by the way, is pretty damn high. I've seen lots of articles or photo galleries featuring him at NBA.com lately.

C. We may never know, but I personally do not believe that Iverson's number of attempts would decrease very much if he were to have Ming by his side, nor would his APG numbers go up much. Please don't argue that he's less selfish than Mobley, or a better shooter or smarter player for that matter.

D. What makes you so confident to say that "clearly" Mobley doesn't look for Ming or the open man after a night where Mobley got 6 assists? On a night where Ming may not have been getting as many touches because he was injured the game before? Or because as you said, he was being swarmed whenever he was in a good position?

E. I don't know about you, but yeah, I sure as hell would pay to see Mobley "jack" shots when he's hitting them. I enjoy watching my team win in high-scoring games. So I really don't see how him scoring 24 points is "bad for the team". When he's not hitting them? Well I won't be so pleased, but like I've said, usually he won't shoot quite so much at that point. AND, usually he's hitting them, or I wouldn't even be defending him.

I hope as much as the next guy that Mobley has realized that he's not going to be THE Man on this team, and probably won't acheive superstar status on the Rockets either. If you can give me better proof that he doesn't see that, and that he'd prefer getting points over winning, I'll join you in the Mobley-bashing. Until then, enjoy his performance and the W. Oh, and let him shoot without hating when he's hot.

Hehe, I hope Mobley doesn't let me down after all this tomorrow...

 

Becuase they are superstars and great players. Cuttino is not close to their level...they still tend to shoot more when they are hot and less when they are cold.

 

Passing to an open teammate and getting everyone involved can multiply exponentially. If you have somebody on your team not sharing the ball, other teammates are not as active and not hustle as much (If they are more involved, they tend to be more active on both ends of the court).

I would still say Hawk, Griff, and Posey have a better chance of making wide open shots then Cat jacking up some crazy shot.

 

Wow, I really got on your nerve, didnt I. WTH are you talking about? Tea price in Shanghai? Mobley is nobody in this league, face it. Go check the all star ballots. I am sure he actaully got many Shanghai votes because of Ming.
Serously now. I too think he's a good player. A good role player though, and should go race in the "sixth man of the year" award, not for the MVP or all-star accolade.




E. I don't know about you, but yeah, I sure as hell would pay to see Mobley "jack" shots when he's hitting them. I enjoy watching my team win in high-scoring games. So I really don't see how him scoring 24 points is "bad for the team". When he's not hitting them? Well I won't be so pleased, but like I've said, usually he won't shoot quite so much at that point. AND, usually he's hitting them, or I wouldn't even be defending him.

I hope as much as the next guy that Mobley has realized that he's not going to be THE Man on this team, and probably won't acheive superstar status on the Rockets either. If you can give me better proof that he doesn't see that, and that he'd prefer getting points over winning, I'll join you in the Mobley-bashing. Until then, enjoy his performance and the W. Oh, and let him shoot without hating when he's hot.

 

RocketGuy and Cmellon,

We know the team led by guards may or may not take us to the playoffs. Okay even they can make the playoffs they would be out in round 1. But with Yao and EG, we could do so much much more. We should not continue that guard-oriented offense which may or may not take us to the playoffs. Okay Yao and EG may not by ready to be the focus yet but at least we want to see some sign of that "evolvion" and "direction". Don't be so sensitive, no one is Steve and Mobley "hater" here (they are just "critics" if you know what I mean). No one is proposing trading them but their attitude got to change and the smartness needs to improve. They need to change their ISO one on one way and play the way the game should be played. The game is played inside out not the other way around unless your name is MJ but clearly they are not.

 

Well alright, that's all that I'm saying, that Francis and Mobley will remain and should be an integral part of our offense. With Griff and Yao developing, our offense will only become deeper and more diverse. A good thing of course. I'm just saying I still believe that we need our guards a great deal on this team. Right now, they're still our biggest strength.

 

Haha, why does everyone always take so much pride in themselves when they think they've gotten on someone's nerves? Anyway, the price of tea thing was a saying... dunno, maybe it's just British, but it normally goes "What does (blank) have to do with the price of tea in China?". It's a way of saying that something you just said makes absolutely no sense in the conversation. And I still don't see where you're trying to get by saying that Mobley isn't popular... and btw, I really doubt that many of those votes came from China if most of Yao's votes didn't even come from from there...

Anyways, other than that, I think you just agreed with me. I don't believe he's a superstar either, but he's a very good player and an important part of this team.

 

EXACTLY what I'm saying!!! They don't get heat because they're stars, leading their team. Mobley does because he's not the best player on this team, but he's still very good and very important... and yes, those guys do continue shooting when they're cold. They even shoot more quite often.

BTW, is it just me, or does programming get brought up on this board way too often? It's even being used for analogies to the Rockets game now? Too many computer nerds!!! ... Guess I shouldn't be talking since I'm a computer engineering major too...

 

Well, pardon me, Never heard of this tea idiom, this is a new one to me. hehehehe, are you sure you didnt make this up.

I guess it was friendly fire.

 

RG3,

Cat is not even close to their level. He is the 3rd scoring option AT BEST on our club.

That programming anology was the one that popped up on my head. Too many freaky computer dorks in here! How about a car that runs fine but with loud noises and a leaking oil? Ok I'll stop

 

I agree that Cat is a valuable member of this team. I wish him becomes our "Bobby Jackson", Posey becomes our "Christie" and Boki becomes our "Peja". Ahh well...

 

carayip..

You must be ex-Kings fans before converting to Rockets.

 

Don't question my loyalty. Rox is my 1st NBA team and I've supported them since 95. I think Kings were in lottory back then.

 

Ooops... I will remember to put next time

 

I can't agree more, Carayip.

 

I probably have no room to talk. I post very little, but I can not read Olliez blue on blue background messages. I just wonder about the other people on here if they can see them? I do like to read the posts and read most of them when I can see them lol. No offense olliez. If I didn`t think what you had to say was interesting I wouldn`t bother. .... Now for as the thread. I love our guards but if one or both of them have an off night -we lose, because they take bad shots and turn the ball over too much. They both had a great night and we still almost lost.

 

If Yao had Cato jumping ability, then this team would be some thing to watch in all aspects.

 

RocketGuy3 you obviously are a moron. Let's see, who would AI pass to if he doesn't shoot himself, Eric Snow? This season at least they have Van Horn, who would he pass to last season? Who would TMac pass to, Grant Hill in his wheelchair? And I believe Kobe has couple rings on his fingers.

Face the facts, AI got 6ers to the finals and no further, TMac and Magic is going no where fast and Kobe had an all impressive 0 championships before Shaq.

The simplest strategy when you got a big man is dump it in, but Cat doesn't know that. Gee, if you dump it inside (knowing Yao) and get it back when he gets double/triple teamed, you think the chances of making the shot goes up? Even if you got the hot hand? Btw, ****in' 42-43% is not high, it's average. The Rox does not have a real good shooter that's why it's top 3 on the team.

I'm sick of people making excuses of not dumping the ball down low. Oh we're a new team with no chemistry or oh you must be Cat/Steve bashing. I'm not saying give it to Yao when he gets doubled I'm saying when he's open give him the freakin' ball, then get the freakin' rock back for an open shot.

The Rockets is probably the only team where the sum of a lot of talents is < its parts. No god damn excuse for that.

 

MFM2310,

That's quite a rant. Now will you please 'splain to me why Phil Jackson refuses to play the "dump it into" Hakeem game. He wants a more complex offense than that, which uses Shaq and Kobe in more ways than Hakeem and Kenny. Likewise, Duncan and Garnett are pulled out to the high post, too.

Do you honestly believe Yao Ming will thrive in the low post, with the doubles coming *before* the pass. That defense puts us right back into doing what we did at the Celtics game.

The chemistry and patience I'm talking about is to foresake the temptation of running a Hakeem offense that will never work, and go for the holy grail...full motion with no predicted entry pass for Yao.

Cheer up man. The dump it down low would only be a crutch, just like our previous ISOs. It would still put us at the mercy of defenses and our spot up shooters, and playoff defenses would suffocate in 4th quarters. We don't want that.