clutch: source says rockets want 1 of 4-5 PG's expected to go lottery

It seems like we'd be giving up a lot and a known-quantity PG to get a rookie who might or might not pan out.
They better have a major upside. Unless Morey doesn't think AB has anymore room to grow.

 

Why do you say this? He's quick. Aaron Brooks-type quick. He can hit a three. Maybe not as consistent as Brooks, but he shouldn't need to be a mid-40% 3=point shooter at point guard. He hit a third of his three in college over two years. That's pretty good.

The only issue I could see with Morey not wanting him is the size issue. Otherwise, I think he's exactly what Morey would want.

He drives to the hole fearlessly. The closest comparison I would say, on this team, is he drives to the hole ala Von Wafer. He is a great perimeter defender. He's not afraid to dunk the ball over a big man, even though he's 6 foot flat.

The guy averaged 6.7 assists in COLLEGE last year. That's pretty damn astounding. I read a scouting report that said he's more of a scorer than a passer. I disagree. When you average 6.7 assists in college, and someone calls you more of a scorer, you must be scoring 30 points a game.

The thing I like the most about Flynn is that he's got the heart of a champion. If you had the pleasure of watching the 6OT game against UConn last year (probably my favorite college game I've ever watched), it is evident that the guy is a leader with the heart of a champion. He played something like 70 minutes in that game and was 16-16 at FTs. He also seems to have a great basketball IQ.


Stats from last year:

17.4 PPG 46% Fg 6.7 APG 2.7 RPG 1.4 SPG


Now tell me, other than height, why Morey defintiely wouldn't want Flynn?

 

I think Adelman like Rubio because he used to have a PG like that in Jason Williams (aka the White Chocolate aka Pete Marovich). So i am sure Rubio intrigue them because he does have that fancy passes. The different is Rubio is much more intelligent.

Compare him to Aaron Brooks is night and day. Aaron is JUST A DUMB PG that don't know how to run the offense. He can't visualize plays ahead of time. He sucks at anticipate when someone is open and is late in passing. Therefore, result in turnovers. If we have Rubio, i am absolutely certain he will be a 2nd GO-2-GUY when Yao is fronted. And he's going to be another Ginobili in this league because European players are always competitive in nature. Have you notice Morey is trying to collect a bunch of players that play with heart?? From Scola to Battier to Artest and now Lowry. Some of the players don't fit are Tmac and Aaron Brooks. They're not competitive by nature i think just by their behaviors on court alone. Rubio on the other hand, appear to be just what the doctor order.

 

I somewhat hear you...I agree Brooks would be the one i would let go for Rubio...i rather have a Rubio/Lowry backcourt..AB is too inconsistant for this team, even though i love him..i just think Rubio would fit the bill even if he is a rookie..

Chilcutt

 

There's a reason we haven't traded up to get a lottery pick in the past: it's just not worth it when your advantage is having the braintrust Morey does to give him enough info to know who would be valuable to the team at his late first-round pick.

Any team can pick the best player first if it's obvious enough. But it costs trade capital to get to that spot, something the Rockets don't have much of. If Morey really is looking to move into the lottery, it will be for one particular player that he believes is worth putting the franchise's future in the hands of. I'm sorry but I don't see Jennings, Flynn, or Curry being those types of players.

I think Rubio and Evans could be franchise-changers. But what do I think Morey wants? He wants someone who can get the ball in Yao's hands in a good spot consistently, something Yao has not had before in his career. Which one between Evans and Rubio is that kind of player? I think it's apparent who my guess is that Morey is going after. And I would love to see us do everything possible to get him beyond trading away half our team.

 

I will also go on the record and say that I would be extremely happy with Rubio, IF we can get a pick that high.

 

IF is correct..what would it take? Maybe t-macs contract + AB of course..

Chilcutt

 

everything i read points to him having problems with decision making and turnovers, efficiency....i haven't seen him play much so i'll take your word for it, maybe those issues aren't as big as advertised....but i do think they want their scoring point to be a good shooter from midrange and 3 point.


And this isn't directed at you, just a comment...let's remember they drafted Brooks for a reason...because they think the scoring point is something that's more and more common in the NBA and is needed, just like Morey thinks guys like dorsey are the future big men ......so if we're giving up brooks i think we're going to get someone similar, but without brooks' flaws, which i think are being hesitant and not always making the obvious pass...so i'm still thinking curry..

 

Keep on dreaming. I doubt that package is gonna get you Hawes.

 

Aaron can't make plays,but I disagree that he is not competitive. He is a 5'10 and a half shoot first scorer. He has had a lot of up and downs since last year,but he has worked hard on his 3 point shot and has shown improvement with his mid range jumper as well. He has utilized his speed as a scorer as well. He can't defend much, but he doesn't back down when he is being posted up. That shows his competitive drive to me. This gets lost because of his inability to run the point.

 

I'm surprised the Rockets don't feel they need a veteran point guard.

 

I think they do,but it's very hard to obtain one. That's why they are thinking of taking a gamble which may pay off down the road. That doesn't mean I support what they might be proposing to do. Finding a top notch starting PG isn't going to be easy.

 

I hope this isn't true cause I would rather see us get a athletic SG like DeMar or a center like Deke(you know who). If it is true then Rubi boy might the top guy on the list but I think he's overrated as hell. I put my money on Brandon Jennings to be the best PG in the draft even doh I dont like his cockiness but that's probably need in this league today. If we could get Jennings, I would DEFINITELY want to see that guy play cause he's probably the quickest, fastest, most explosive PG in the draft with a jumpshot, good courtvision, crazy handles. But if Rubi boy and Jennings aren't available then Flynn and Teague would be great choices too. Hope Morey does something big for us again this offseason. 11 days left til draft

Here's a vids of Jennings...

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Rubi Boy and Jennings together:

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I appreciate the thought out response. I have to say, I didn't know what I was going to get.

His efficiency, along with his shot are the two things he's going to have to work on. His shot is not bad, but it's not the greatest. Like I said, he was good enough to average 17 points a game on a team that has a few scorers. If he can work on his mid-range and three point shot, he's going to be good.

As far as the Brooks thing goes, I kind of think that is exactly what Flynn is. He's Brooks, plus some. I would say he's a longer, more point-guard minded-type.

Personally, I think that if Morey truly wants a rookie point guard, then he'll target Rubio. I think that what this does, is it gives Yao another potential superstar to play with. Someone that should be able to get him the ball at will. But what it also does, is it sets this team up with a potential star to build the team around should Yao continue to get injured, or move on.

In my opinion, though, if Rubio is not attainable (i.e. you can't get a high enough pick to nab him), I think Flynn is the best backup option. I don't think you can build an entire team around Flynn (like you probably could with Rubio), but he would be a rock solid point guard on an NBA team. Much like (I'll say it again) Rajon Rondo. I'm not saying their clones of each other. I just think they're similar enough, and I think their value to their team will end up being the same.

 

Jennings highlights don't mean anything if you don't have the intangible. I am more interested in players that have the IQ and competitive nature, those are MORE IMPORTANT than a bunch of highlights and dunks!

 

Not only that, but none of the highlights, except for MAYBE the last video, were against quality talent.

I don't think he can get by with that showboating crap in the NBA.

 

What happen to win now? Once again it just shows how dumb they were to give up the 8th pick for shane.

 

I think it's a hard trade to measure because of Shane's intagibles. Because he doesn't show up in the stat lines.

Could you imagine though, if this team had Gay, Yao, Artest, Brooks, and possibly Rubio?

 

The guy might not have the best intangibles but he's has all the skills to boot with the cockiness and confidence to succeed at the next level. He showned some mental toughness went he was in the difficult situation in Europe where he had coaching changes, limited playing time and not to forget the new culture he had to adjust too.

 

this really needs to be dropped and forgotten, with our injuries we werent going to win any rings even with Gay, i'm not sure if i'd be any happier just going one extra round every year....and who knows if we win 22 in a row, which i think is a greater acomplishment than an extra round in the playoffs, which isn't the finals.

Remember it was 3 years ago. Back then it was win now only, no reason to really get younger guys to plan for a future. Now the top guys are getting older and although we still have to win now, it's also time to build for the next several years.

I can't stress enough how much the business side of the NBA affects all this. we fans would probably trade all our young talent to get a knockout player to put it all on the line to win a ring, but the people in the front office are mainly trying to keep sales up from year to year. I'm sure they want a ring too, but they definitely dont want to end up like some teams that rebuild for a decade because that's less money that's being made. Ideally they want to do both, win now and rebuild quickly, which is possible, but injuries sure mess up everything..