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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Almu, Dec 2, 2003.

  1. ivanyy2000

    ivanyy2000 Member

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    Mr. Clutch is saying that as long time Pro players and getting million dollars salary, they still need basic basketball 101 traing in the middle of season, that is ridiculous and pathetic.
     
  2. ima_drummer2k

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    I heard that too and I agreed with them (for a change). They were saying that this team isn't "balanced" enough. Too many guards that play the same way (scorers instead of court vision), too many post players that play the same way (fall-away jumpers instead of strong post play).

    This team doesn't need an overhaul but it does need some tweeking with the roster IMO.

    Besides, it was good to hear 610 actually talking about the Rockets for a change instead of just football gambling :rolleyes:
     
  3. thegary

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    it is ridiculus and pathetic, but i guess it's needed because the players seem to agree with the need for it. seems a trade is imminent.
     
  4. vcchlw

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    Yes, we are currently the 7th, but please look at the teams behind us. San Antonio is now the last of Midwest. Do you think they will remain in the bottom? How about Minnesota and Portland, which were the playoff teams last few years? And please look at Seattle, Memphis and Golden State, they are almost right behind. Now look at the front, we have Denver and Utah which are playing smart basketball. You guys always talk about our talents, but these teams can win games with relatively less talents just because they play SMART. If Rox continue to play like that, they will quickly sink to the 10th after SA, Minnesota and Portland gets back in pace. Not to mention Seattle, Memphis and GS which can easily take your place.
     
  5. A-Train

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    Thank you...I know that Houston is a football town, but the amount of time they spend on football is mind boggling. Inside Skinny with Steve McKinney, Aaron Glenn live from Academy, David Carr on TWO times per week, The Dom Capers show, that bald fat guy that writes for the Chronicle, Phil Steele...damn people, Houston has a BASKETBALL team, also!
     
  6. ivanyy2000

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    This year's western conference is really scary. Every team is improving. When you a one game under 500, you are almost at the bottom in the west.

    Look at PhX, you may have a sense how tough west has become. They have almost same roster as last year and look where they are at now!
     
  7. uac

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    This BBS also flooded with impatience towards the impatient posters :p
     
  8. shawn786

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    Right??? That made me stop reading your post, i HATE that excuse so damn much
     
  9. Juugie

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    This team is unbalanced. It has poor ballhandling, poor decision making, and is soft inside. There isn't a single person on the team averaging double figure rebounds.

    We have a point guard that shoots too much and a center that's soft. Our starting PF can't shoot at all. Our starting SG has horrible shot selection. Our othe players are inconsistent outside shooters. Our coach is clueless offensively.

    Steve can't handle pressure defenses. Yao can't play through contact.

    I'm all for getting a ballhandling guard to play next to Steve. And getting a true low post scorer/rebounder to play next to Yao.

    Get some vets in that know how to play.

    Get some coaching help so we can have an offense with more than three plays.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    If you think the better teams that aren't playing well will play better, then why don't you think the teams like Denver and Utah will sort of fall back. Same thing with the Rockets, if you feel that SA and Minnesota will eventually play up to their talent, you can't say that and then not expect the same with the Rockets.
     
  11. daoshi

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    I'm all for "give JVG Rockets more time" since this is the guy's first year, we are just 16 games into the season. But the signs we've seen so far are very disturbing.

    JVG has never showed any ability to coach an offensive game; he brought his Knicks assistants with him here. Guess what, despite concentrating on offense so far this season, the Rockets look terrible at the offensive end, especially bad on the road. Worse yet, there has been no sign of improvement from game to game.

    Many of the patterns, or bad habits, from the Rudy T. years resurfaced again. JVG was hired because of his reputation as a disciplined coach, but there is few sign of our players becoming more disciplined. It just doesn’t cut it when you had to spend your whole practice for fundamentals like dribbling, passing, shooting. This is NBA, players are supposedly defined in their individual skills.

    Given the bad trend I’ve seen so far, I’m still willing to wait until the all-star break. If there is no improvement, or fluidly, in our offense by then, the change will be the only option.


    --daoshi
     
  12. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    I use to listen to 610 pretty often until this very reason. WAAAAY too much football. Hell, college teams get more airtime than the Rockets do.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    This also has me worried. While I think the Rockets definitely JVG's dicipline on the defensive end, I think the main problem with Rockets last year was their offense.
     
  14. Rashmon

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    Thanks for the fresh air Almu. Long time no post.

    This season is extremely young.

    JVG's style is built for the playoffs: hard-nosed D, half-court game with a dominant big man, run when you can, excellent preparation.

    Given time and patience, this team will adapt to JVG's system and they will be a load in the playoffs.

    With a 6-8 seed, no one will want to face this team come playoff time.

    Let's send this team some positive energy.

    Go Rockets.
     
  15. Easy

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    Mike Bibby 25
    Kobe Bryant 25
    Shawn Marion 25
    Dirk Nowitzki 25
    Jermaine O'Neal 25
    Vince Carter 26
    Peja Stojakovic 26
    Tim Duncan 27
    Kevin Garnett 27
    Allen Iverson 28

    You can argue that Yao is still a baby. But 26 is hardly baby in the NBA nowadays. That's why many people here have given up hope on Francis.

    I personally agree that we should give JVG some more time. Give the team some more time to adjust to the new coach. But, no, the vast majority of the team are no long young.
     
  16. tozai

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    Lame. How many years has Steve been playing. Maybe all of a sudden everything will click with him. I used to think so. Everyone's told him. Oscar Robertson, Calvin Murphy, and probably a lot of other people. I just don't think he'll get it. I hope he proves me wrong. Also, I question if Yao has the heart to really be a leader and the centerpiece of a franchise.

    This sounds like Longhorn fans a few years ago talking about how Davis and Reese aren't the problem. Do you need the message reinforced another season or two?
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    I agree with the calls for patience.

    Anyone who has watched the games as intently as I have has noticed that when the Rox play the way JVG wants, moving the ball rather than dribbling, playing inside-out, and taking open looks, we score with the best of them. We have the ability to shut teams out defensively already and once the team starts playing the offense the way JVG wants on every trip down the court, we will be very difficult to contend with. The improvement we will see as the season wears on will happen as a result of players growing to trust each other and the system. The system will not truly show its fruit until the playoffs, which is the time that JVGs system works best.

    I do think we will have a trade just before the deadline, but that is just because I don't think the Rox will waste the $7M exception. I believe we will package one or two of our second tier guys with the exception for a 3 or 4 from a team that is already out of the playoff hunt (from the west) or needs a boost to try and make the playoffs (in the east).

    We need to be patient enough to allow JVGs system to take hold and flourish before we just make a move to make a move. WE have suffered through the last four years sans playoffs, but JVG is just now starting to see how his players react under adverse conditions, one of the situations that will show you the most about any group of people.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    Keanu Reeves could use some acting lessons
    but he just over 20 mill for The Matrix III
    and he been 'acting' for years

    Paycheck is irrelevent


    Rocket River
     
  19. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Do you like what Jason Williams is doing in Memphis?
    How many years had he been in the league before he 'got it'?
    Did he need to get the 'right' coach?

    how many years before stockton became STOCKTON?
    Payton became PAYTON
    hell Jason frickin Kidd didn't get a jumpshot until 2 yrs ago


    Rocket River
     
  20. studogg

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    Jason Williams was always a great passer. No one has ever question that. His shot selection was what was of the greatest concern. It is the exact opposite issue w/Francis. No one has ever accused Francis of being a strong distributer, just a poor decision maker. Don't think Hubie Brown could change that. And what are you trying to say. Ooops another coach failed Francis, lets try another one.

    Insert unnecessary repeated name here
     

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