Clips and Celts must convince the NBA that Doc and KG are not packaged

Talk about being pig-headed and in complete denial of facts. It is pretty pitiful at this point to watch you define the CBA all by yourself.

From the horses mouth:

Stern said -- and a person familiar with the communication between the league and the teams confirmed -- that there is no separating the two deals at this point because it is obvious all the pieces are part of the same negotiation.

"If you think those, at this point -- having been all over the media for the last week -- are separate transactions ... I have a bridge that I would very much enjoy selling to you," Stern said.​

The league (on behalf of all the owners) simply will not let Garnett and Rivers land together on the Clippers. The league pretty clearly has proof of the quid pro quo part of this trade. Move along.

 

No. A coach could walk away for nothing and the league won't care. That's between a coach and a team.

However, the league (through Stern) is basically saying "If the deals aren't really one and the same, then prove it by taking fair value for Garnett and then release your coach."

The Celtics and Rivers can part ways however they agree to do so, but the Clippers can't entice them with draft picks as part of an under the table agreement as part of another trade. And that's what is happening and we all know it.

 

Is basketballholic the Karl Rove of clutchfans?

 

btw: The Clippers/BOS, and maybe Rivers himself, screwed all his chances to coach Paul, imo. He will not be allowed to get a job for the Clippers as penalty for them trying to circumvent the CBA.

How could everyone be so stupid? I wonder if it was leaked to prevent Rivers from ever going to LAC.

 

I'd be surprised if they don't make it work.

 

Stern is not saying that at all. He's saying he already has proof that they tried to circumvent the CBA. The league can now penalize and completely block anything. Retooling the negotiation is something Sam Amick suggested. Stern came no where close to saying retooling will work.

Stern might just say, "Fine, make a fair trade with Garnett, but I'll never let Rivers sign with LAC regardless, since y'all tried to cheat. Go ahead and make a trade, but Rivers will never be a part of it."

That's the only way I see anything else happening. Or vice versa. BOS releases Rivers and he signs with LAC, but the NBA will never allow Garnett/Pierce trades to follow.

 

Yeah, I was just using the USA today article as a potential way it will get solved, not a "for sure."

If it gets worked out on those terms, it's the league saying what I said. They can't stop the Celtics from parting ways with Rivers, but they can certainly step in on the trade at this point because they believe there is circumvention occurring.

I'm thrilled this happened so JOP will finally realize that circumvention doesn't "happen all the time" and that it is a real thing that the league (read as Stern on behalf of owners) will step in on.

You added this part. I disagree. Eventually, if they can agree on compensation, KG will go to the Clippers and so will Doc. I don't think the league will stop that, they are just going to make it more difficult and Boston is going to end up unhappy with what they get in return. They were hoping for multiple picks along with DeAndre and that isn't going to happen because it is clear circumvention. However, I think the league is going to end up approving a modified proposal.

 

Someone was wondering earlier if perhaps the Clippers, aka Sterling, were handling things this way to insure that the deal blows up. Then they could tell Paul that "they tried," and save one heck of a lot of money in the process, gambling that they won't lose him. I can certainly believe Sterling capable of such a thing.

 

They can't stop Celtics from releasing Rivers, but they can stop LAC from signing him, because they caught LAC trying to cheat.

You can't find a loophole in a failed attempt to find a loophole by redefining your actions.

Think about it. That's pretty stupid for Sam Amick to suggest.

 

A dollar no...not at all...im sure there is some way they could make that work...but shoot if Doc decided though that he didnt want to be there period, they should have some say so over what he's owed IMO.

 

I can't disagree more. Under the table cheating is not always discovered. When it is, you cannot allow the cheaters to squirm there way into a more reasonable proposal.

You have to penalize them as an example to all other owners that circumvention will not be tolerated. You have to just say, Doc and KG will never end up on LAC together, no matter how you try to reinvent your actions, we won't allow both the go there.

You shouldn't have tried to cheat.

 

Lol how did they prove basketball reasons?

 

Yeah, I'm not seeing how this gets done. Maybe it does but...

Sources said Thursday that one new scenario discussed by the teams, in trying to come up with alternative trade constructions, would call for the Celtics to simply release Rivers from his contract while the Clippers added draft picks or other considerations to the Jordan-for-Garnett swap. Stern's comments, though, would appear to leave little wiggle room.

"The teams -- how shall I say this? -- the teams know that," Stern told "The Herd."

 

Wow. What a thought. And what would be a logical spot for him to agree to go to? Right here, with the man he's very close to, Kevin McHale.

 

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KG is a major league A Hole, but he and Dwight would be a scary combo.

Scary.

 

Stern looks like shutting down the trade.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ts-down-clippersceltics-trade-as-constructed/

 

The proposed trade of Kevin Garnett to the Los Angeles Clippers and corresponding transaction that would transport Doc Rivers from the Boston Celtics' bench to L.A.'s are unlikely to be approved by the league office, according to sources close to the process. ESPN.com

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