It's just as relevant as total FTs. The whole point is to show that Griffin is not getting the #FTs he deserves by comparing him to the players ranked above him. Why would you rank Kobe below him because Kobe has less total FTs? He played less games! He scores frequently and efficiently, is one of the top rebounder in the league, and is one of the top passing bigmen in the game. If you are calling a superstar a top-5 player only, then he's probably not a superstar. I'd put him around top-10. Well, you are flat out wrong about that Gasol/Mo play so I assume you have a Grizzlies bias. But maybe you just missed it.
Absolutely wrong. You should just drop this part of your argument. It makes you look stupid. By using this logic, you're saying that the 2002 Wizards' expectations of Michael Jordan should've been based on his performance with the Bulls. You should drop this argument, too. If your first argument made you look stupid, this one makes you look brain damaged. I already told you that I used total FTA. By that metric, Griffin was #4, and he was ahead of Kobe. If you don't like that metric, feel free to bring up a different one. But by no means should you try to argue against a statistical fact. Regardless of what metric you want to use, Griffin is still one of the league leaders in FTA. You can't be a superstar if you can't create your own shot. I don't even know if he's top-10 overall. Looking purely at PFs this past season, I'd take Dirk, Love, and Pau Gasol over Griffin. Maybe even Garnett. TNT showed the replay. There was definite contact that Mo initiated.
It is completely stupid to use career FTs. I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it's equally stupid to use total FTs when assessing a player's performance over the course of the season, because you need to know how many games that player played. This isn't some kind of advanced statistics we're talking here; it's common sense. Is this really so hard for you to understand? My argument is that Griffin, a 20+ ppg scorer who lives in the paint, only getting 7FTs/game when players like Kevin Love and Kobe Bryant get more is a complete joke. He is not reffed fairly and he flops to try to get more calls and it doesn't work. [/quote] I guess Shaq wasn't a superstar. I think it's debatable, but I'd call all those guys superstars too except for Gasol. At any rate, it's just semantics whether you want to say a player is a star or a superstar. Griffin is one of the best players in the league. No point arguing this until we have some footage to review. To me, it was plain as day that Mo was undercut when they were both going for the ball.
One thing I really like about grizz team is they play through contact. Guys hold the ground and u don't see guys on the ground trying to flop. That's oldschool hoops.
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Well, i was a little pissed with all the Clipper hate given that they not only lost but suffered injuries too (and the Memphis hicks were classy enough to boo an injured guy... and not just in the spur of the moment; check the articles coming out of that hellhole of a city today).
I guess you were too young to watch a prime Shaq play. He was a beast on offense. He would simply lower his shoulder and bully his way to the basket. Even though he only had maybe 2 actual post moves, no one could stop them. On the other hand, Blake Griffin has no reliable post move. Once in a while, he'll make a nice play, but generally, he'll either settle for the mid-range jumper (which is inconsistent) or try to bulldoze his way to the basket which, given today's rules, should be called an offensive foul: <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jdUJuUD8w98?version=3&feature=player_detailpage"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/jdUJuUD8w98?version=3&feature=player_detailpage" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="360"></object> But b/c Griffin gets preferential officiating, he doesn't get called for those offensive fouls.
Look at Griffin's FGA compared to Kobe and Love. Also consider the fact that since Love is a superior rebounder, opponents are more likely to commit loose ball fouls against him which would send him to the ft line (assuming the other team is in the penalty). He's maybe in the top 20.
Lol, i was at most of the games in LA during Shaq's prime. Of course he can create his own shot. But so can Griff. The receive the ball at midpost and are both efficient at scoring from there (shaq strictly from backing down to the lowpost and griff through a combo of faceup and lowpost). It is impossible for a bigman to score 20+ ppg without being able to create his own shot. But go ahead and be a sheep and say that griff gets all his points on dunks and has no post moves, even though you admit you don't watch the clips.
I said I didn't watch many Clippers regular season games. But I've watched the playoffs. And no, Griffin can't consistently create his own shot. Most of his field goals are created for him by his teammates.
The Grizzlies are playing Griffin tough (due to their advantage up front) and he's not having a great series, but five games is not reflective of an entire season. Griffin was assisted on 63% of his FGs this year (see: basketball-reference. This is pretty standard for a big (Dirk, KG, Gasol(s), Bosh, Josh Smith all above him and they can all create their own shot). Considering that Blake made 8.5 shots per game, this means he creates over 3 scores per game. I don't know what your criteria is for a big that can create his own shot, but that is right up there with every big in the league. It is difficult to compare the impact of bigs vs smalls, and this league is small-dominant these days, but by every advanced statistical measure, Blake is a top-10 player in the NBA. He is trendy to hate on because of his flopping and "too cool for school" glare, but he puts up excellent numbers and is the only real interior threat on a top team in the league.
Clippy please stop before you embarrass yourself further. Your earlier quote of "I guess Shaq wasn't a superstar." in response to "You can't be a superstar if you can't create your own shot." clearly implies that Shaq can't create his own shot. Then you say "Of course [Shaq] can create his own shot." as if you hadn't just suggested otherwise. Your overall argument that Blake can create his shot just as well as Shaq is ludicrous. Please stop before you dig yourself too big of a hole.
Geez, are we on an ESL forum or something? The OP was implying that Blake can't be a superstar since he can't create his own shot. Well, Blake can create his own shot in the same way that every big in history can create his own shot, by receiving in the mid-post and initiating either a face up or post move. The stats show he scores 3+ buckets a game this way, which is just as many as any big in the league. If that is not "creating his own shot", then no big, including Shaq, can create his own shot. To get from that that I think BG is on the same level as Shaq or that Shaq really can't create his own shot is mind boggling, but I guess that's what I expect from you guys.
Here are some more numbers for you. In the 2000/01 season, which was Shaq's best season outside of 1999/00 (for which basketball-reference doesn't have the advanced stats), Shaq made 3.9 unassisted FGs per game. This year, Griffin made 3.1 unassisted FGs per game. Now we all know Shaq had plenty of post moves and could score on anyone, and Griff obviously can only score on lobs and easy gimmes from teammates. What's going on here?
What stats are you referring to? Do they properly exclude putbacks from offensive rebounds? Breakaway dunks?
The stats refer to shots to which another player was credited assists. So an offensive rebound would count as a score, breakway if it was unassisted. But I contend that Shaq got more of these points than Griff anyway. Griffin gets maybe one breakway dunk every two games and probably about the same for putbacks.
