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Clinton asks for VP; Obama says No

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, May 22, 2008.

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Strong character? What do you base that on? His discredited flyers and tv spots aimed at attacking Hillary? His distortions of McCain's honorable service and record? His willingness to throw his grandmother under the bus when presented with a racial problem? His willingness to worship at a racist, bigoted, anti-semitic, America-hating pastor's church?

    The media gives the Obama supporters a free pass when they say stuff like what jgreen just said, since they are obviously in the tank for Obama. It's a joke. Obama's character is puny compared to a man like McCain, who endured over 5 years of torture, standing on principle for our great nation. That's character.
     
  2. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Your idol george bush attacked McCain. I found that very disrespectful same as when he attacked Kerry. These men had the courage not to dodge a draft.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Bill Clinton cannot be VP
    He is no longer qualified to be President . .. that automatically Disqualifies him from being Vice President

    because he served 2 terms. . he cannot be President again
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    He cannot 'back door' his way in through the VP . . .

    Rocket River
     
  4. kokopuffs

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    wrong. he can still become speaker of the house, secretary of state or any of the major cabinet positions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
     
  5. kokopuffs

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    wrong. he can't run for president, but he can still be VP OR he can still become speaker of the house, secretary of state or any of the major cabinet positions and should everyone above him die or be incapacitated, he would become president.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
     
  6. thumbs

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    What scares the living stuff out of me is the scenario where Obama buys off Hillary with the promise to make her a Supreme Court Justice. We would never be rid of her, and this would ensure politics of the past would be politics of the future. Think of it...years of Hllary with no way of getting rid of her. That, my friends, is scary.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    See - I'm no hillary fan but when I see nutty Hillaraphobe posts like this I can't help but feel sympathy for her.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    The church is neither racist nor bigoted.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    Take a deep breath. Right now the speculation about Hillary is getting crazy. It will die down in a few days. Rest assured she will NOT be the veep choice. I would bet my life savings she won't be nominated for the Supreme Court. She won't get a cabinet position either.

    Try to calm down and don't let the wild rumors bother you. It will all pass.
     
  10. Major

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    Well, it appears Hillary is interested in the VP slot according to CNN.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=apUvejwrj_bw&refer=us


    Clinton Campaign in Talks With Obama About VP Slot, CNN Says

    CNN is reporting this morning that the Obama and Clinton campaigns are in formal talks about ending her quest for the Democratic nomination and possibly giving her the VP slot.

    These apparent talks are described by CNN as being in a ``very preliminary'' stage and as "difficult."

    It's really unclear what this means or what's really going on here. CNN doesn't have anyone on the record. Just anonymous sourcing. We'll have video of their report up shortly.

    On first blush I'm skeptical that there really are "formal talks" in the usual sense of that phrase. The report appears to lean heavily on sourcing from within the Clinton camp, which is notable. The significance here may not be that there are formal talks underway or that the vice presidency is under discussion. The real significance may be that this is the opening salvo from the Clinton camp ahead of the negotiations that would likely accompany her withdrawal from the race.

    Like everyone else, we're trying to track this down now. But this may be the beginning of the beginning of the end.
     
  11. serious black

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    No, he would be skipped over if he had any of those positions. Just like how Kissinger and Albright were Secretaries of State but were not really in the line of succession because they were not born in the US. Having already served 8 years as president disqualifies him. Just like being under 35 or being born outside of the US.
     
  12. Major

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    The 22nd amendment:

    1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    The amendment doesn't say anything about being President - just being elected President. The other qualifications you mention are restrictions on being President, so that's why they would skip the line of succession.
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yes - McCain, who dumped his loyal wife who waited for him all those years for a hot younger wife. What a loyal man that represents American values.

    McCain, who once stood up to Bush and now licks his balls. What a man!

    McCain, who is willing to throw GI's under the bus denying them education and opportunities to move beyond the military because we need more fodder for Iraq - what a man!

    Obama is twice the leader and twice the man. I'd rather have a guy who is willing to be honest with America then a guy who will dump his wife for a new model.
     
  14. justtxyank

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    This is incorrect. One of the qualifications Constitutionally for the Vice Presidency is that the candidate must be able to be President of the United States.

    As for the other positions he certainly could return to the House or the Senate or be in a cabinet position. However, the Succession Act of 1947 stipulates that to be eligible in the order of succession one must be Constitutionally eligible for the Presidency. Therefore, even if Bill Clinton was the Speaker of the house, if the President died he'd be skipped in the order of succession. Just like Arnold couldn't be VP and if he was Speaker he still couldn't be President.
     
  15. Major

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    Except Bill Clinton IS constitutionally eligible to be President. Find anywhere in the Constitution that says he's not.

    As posted above, the 22nd Amendment only says he's not eligible to be ELECTED President, not to serve as President.
     
  16. justtxyank

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    This is a debate that many Constitutionalists have regularly, so I admit we aren't go to solve it today. It depends on how one interprets the Constitution. I interpret it as he is not eligible to be elected President under the Constitution and is therefore not eligible to be Vice President. Others interpret it differently.
     
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    And give Republicans the ability to call Obama a hypocrite. For all his talk about changing politics and Washington and that he was the better candidate because Hillary was part for that problem, to then select her would demonstrate that he really is just talk. He found a campaign niche to get to the White House and is bringing along one of the usual suspects with him.
     
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    I'm sure your sympathy is appreciated by Hillary as well as everyone who wants her confined to New York. How about New York Gov. Hillary Clinton? ;)
     
  20. Major

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    The problem is that it would also energize the other party and unify them. Right now, you have a disspirited GOP with a candidate that's not a perfect fit - putting Hillary on the ticket solves any problems McCain has in rallying his base. And the GOP has been pretty successful in recent years when they are able to get their base out in force.
     

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