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Clinton aides: Palin treatment sexist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IROC it, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    And who are we to say that her duties in this campaign or as VP would hinder her ability to raise her children? Or are you willing to agree with me that Obama will be a bad father due to his presidency?

    I have issues with Palin and lots of issues with McCain, but this one is just plain dumb and stems from liberal attacks combining with sexism.
     
  2. JeopardE

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    Do you have reading comprehension problems? Which part do you not understand, the "I think she'll do just fine" part or the "ludicrous for anyone to say she shouldn't run for VP" part?

    It's like some people just lose all logical reasoning ability once it comes to politics. Wow.
     
  3. durvasa

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    It is sexist to say she should be at home raising her children rather than seeking political office. It is not sexist to point out certain hypocrisies in her actions.
     
  4. HayesStreet

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    C'mon, batman - you don't really think biden talking about her looks is real political commentary, do you?

    You're missing the point, which is that similar criticism wouldn't be leveled at a male candidate. It isn't about whether or not you think the couple should spend more time at home, you could level that at any couple who have taxing professions.

    That a woman can make sexist utterances about herself doesn't mean they aren't sexist nor that they should be encouraged or endorsed. It's symptomatic of a larger pressure to 'be tough like a man.' Orrin Hatch sounded like an idiot on PBS the other night when he talked about her femininity. I thought David Brooks's mouth was going to hit the floor.
     
  5. durvasa

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    Unfortunately, looks matter for voters. So, yes, it does count as real political commentary, though hardly substantive.
     
  6. BigBenito

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    http://newsbusters.org/node/8546


    local reporter: asking if he looks too much like a GQ model and not being able to relate to people (paraphrasing)

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/29/AR2006102900916.html

    Howard Kurtz from Washington Post:

    Apparently looks do matter, HayesStreet... just ask McCain, “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” Oh, wait... we have to keep the children out of this.
     
  7. IROC it

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    Add to this that the point of the article was that Hillary aides were making these claims...

    That is all...
     
  8. HayesStreet

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    Not sure what this has to do with Palin? :confused: Oh wait...nothing?

    Neither does someone commenting on Obama's attractiveness. Please explain how that is sexist.
     
  9. langal

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    There certainly has been a double standard in this particular regard. It has not been coming from Republican women as some on this thread purport - but rather from the left and the media.

    I think in this particular case, the hypocrisy is heavier on the Democrat side. Republicans are sort of assumed to be "sexist". It's the left that should not be even mentioning her motherhood as an issue whatsoever. I hold them to a higher standard when it comes to these things.

    I think some people on this board should just admit that and move on.

    There is plenty of personal stuff to attack her with (teennage pregnancy which does matter IMO, troopergate?, even experience) and A LOT more on actual issues (pro-life, guns, creationist).

    You certainly don't want to put her in the "victim" role here. That may just be enough to tilt the election.
     
  10. BigBenito

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    I was responding to ^, hence my listing of political commentators...? making sexists comments about Obama. And the quote McCain making sexist a sexist about the Clinton's child. I'd happily draw a picture for you if you can't connect the dots.

    But you're not a republican and you didn't make these comments, but ******* the democrats for being sexist! :rolleyes:
     
  11. BigBenito

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    And the quote from McCain making a sexist comment about Clintons' child.






    Gogo english.
     
  12. thumbs

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    Any comment about a "non-combatant" is out of bounds. However, one caveat to consider is that Chelsea is an adult and traveled with her mother, speaking as her advocate.

    Biden's son is a lobbyist. Therefore, he is a combatant and fair game.
     
  13. BigBenito

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    She's an adult now.
     
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    I disagree that the hypocrisy is heavier on the Democrat side. Republicans have been the ones decrying victimhood whether it be gender or race, but are now parading it around. Over the past 16 years Republicans have also been taking shots at Hillary Clinton for many of the same things that they are now defending Sarah Palin for. Remember how Republicans ridiculed Hillary Clinton's statement that she wasn't going to just stand by her man and bake cookies in regard to criticism that she shouldn't be that politically involved but should look after her family.

    There is definately hypocrisy on both sides but I have a hard time saying that Democrats are the ones more at fault when so much of what Republicans are saying now flies in the face of what they said before both in regards to victimhood and gender roles.
     
  15. thumbs

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    Isn't that what I said?
     
  16. BigBenito

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    Let me rephrase myself.

    She's an adult NOW.
     
  17. thumbs

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    Chelsea has been a legal adult for roughly nine years. Are you saying the insult was longer ago than that? What was the insult?
     
  18. BigBenito

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    She was 18 at the time (1998). I lose.


    bahumbug!
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I would make that point if a man had a newborn baby, especially one with down syndrome.

    And is it sexist to wonder if the baby is breast feeding? Which I also believe is important in the first few months?


    DD
     
  20. bnb

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    Wow DD.

    I hope you're not in personnel at your new company. You're going to make some woman and her lawyer very wealthy one day.
     

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