Yea, but somehow the players voted him mvp over the media twice, even over currys golden boy year. Despite his frustrating aganostic style to them and the natural frustration, they may have understood that 90 percent of our moves were to cut cost and margins on role players and harden had to do it to compete. Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” :"According to the cap numbers at Spotrac, which go back to the 2010-11 season, the Rockets barely went over the luxury tax (just $3.65 million over) in their one season (2015-16) as a taxpayer. The Warriors spent $49.63 million in penalties over the last five seasons, while even the small-market Thunder spent $33.73 million. There was no excuse for Houston to not open up the checkbook. This is a franchise located in the fourth-biggest metro area in the U.S. that has had a superstar in the prime of his career. Alexander sat on his hands while Houston’s rivals went all in, counting on Morey’s ability to use advanced statistics to turn water into wine." " This refusal to spend money became farcical once Alexander sold the team to Tilman Fertitta in 2017. Fertitta spent so much money ($2.2 billion) to purchase the Rockets that he may not have had the liquidity to go into the red to build a title contender. Houston was a laughingstock around the league for the amount of juggling it had to do to stay under the tax. The best example came at the trade deadline last season, when Morey used a future first-round pick to shed the salaries of Brandon Knight and Marquese Chriss. There was no basketball reason for the move. It was just done to cut costs. It’s not that Knight and Chriss would have helped the Rockets. But there were certainly a lot of better things that Morey could have used that pick for. Houston also spent that season in a bizarre staring contest with Danuel House Jr. House is the kind of diamond in the rough that Morey routinely uncovered in Houston, an undrafted free agent on a two-way contract who would become a starting-caliber wing. The problem was that players on those deals can spend only 45 days with the NBA team during the season before their contracts have to be converted. Money in Houston was so tight that Morey had to send House back to the G League when he wouldn’t sign a below-market long-term deal. He replaced House with two players he signed off the street (Gerald Green and Kenneth Faried) before bringing him back right before the playoffs. It’s not like House was asking for the world. He signed a three-year, $11 million contract in the offseason. But even that was more than Morey could offer at the time." So remember we ignored TPE, MLE, bird rights to ariza, we replaced him with james ennis at the minimum who was in our rotation and we saw him get traded in feb of that season for a top 55 2nd...that was a month after House was cut mid season, all while harden played heavy games, minutes, useage. but yea, lets blame JH on this one...smh
We saw the used car salesman in his first offseason, before this when we were one game from the finals, that offseason we ignored over 10 million in TPE, ignored the mLE, ignored our bird rights for ariza. Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” Then we replace ariza wiht James ennis who we trade in Feb for a top 55 2nd round protection...thats right no player in return a month before we cut our dleague Daniel house, waited till it was tax friendly...not a winning culture.... And then the offseason tillman had the gall to take the mike to espn after the warriors loss and say we need a killer mentality and he will instil it and basically demand more with a less product. Further more: "The Warriors spent $49.63 million in penalties over the last five seasons, while even the small-market Thunder spent $33.73 million. There was no excuse for Houston to not open up the checkbook. This is a franchise located in the fourth-biggest metro area in the U.S. that has had a superstar in the prime of his career. This refusal to spend money became farcical once Alexander sold the team to Tilman Fertitta in 2017. Fertitta spent so much money ($2.2 billion) to purchase the Rockets that he may not have had the liquidity to go into the red to build a title contender. Houston was a laughingstock around the league for the amount of juggling it had to do to stay under the tax. The best example came at the trade deadline last season, when Morey used a future first-round pick to shed the salaries of Brandon Knight and Marquese Chriss. There was no basketball reason for the move. It was just done to cut costs. It’s not that Knight and Chriss would have helped the Rockets. But there were certainly a lot of better things that Morey could have used that pick for. Houston also spent that season in a bizarre staring contest with Danuel House Jr. House is the kind of diamond in the rough that Morey routinely uncovered in Houston, an undrafted free agent on a two-way contract who would become a starting-caliber wing. The problem was that players on those deals can spend only 45 days with the NBA team during the season before their contracts have to be converted. Money in Houston was so tight that Morey had to send House back to the G League when he wouldn’t sign a below-market long-term deal. He replaced House with two players he signed off the street (Gerald Green and Kenneth Faried) before bringing him back right before the playoffs. It’s not like House was asking for the world. He signed a three-year, $11 million contract in the offseason. But even that was more than Morey could offer at the time."
What i'm about to say may blow your mind, so please hold on to something. There is a spectrum between teamball and heroball. Each player on a team has strengths and weaknesses. The goal of a coach's system is to maximize the sum total output of the strengths and minimize the same for weaknesses. Usually extreme heroball or teamball is not the maximum point to achieve this aforementioned goal. This is why CP3 and Harden, two future hall of fame players, had a fight about where that optimum point lies. Harden wanted to push it a little too far to heroball. With Wall and Cousins we pushed it way too far to teamball. But other teams, like the Spurs, Heat and Pistons, have maximized 'good' teams by playing that way. You sir have used a false equivalency to make other people look dumb and I'm afraid this is too common of a fallacy, so it did not make you look smart. Although you did earn some likes. I guess that's worth it.
Sure, that's a solid statement. But, we had posters on here saying we would b so much better with harden with the crew we got when we were on that faux winning streak. All im saying is if we ever get another player like Harden (unlikely), those same posters should just stfu about team ball and whatnot if we never have the type of players or the cash to do it. I view teams like cars, u don't have to have the same type of car to succeed. honda, Ferrari, Toyota. As long as it gets u to a goal then its solid. Iso, teamplay, squad of role players, as long as it increases our chance to a ring im happy as long as we are winning. We have yet to get anywhere with the desired teamball, teamwork sht just saying, a season after harden.
Ummmm i call bs. We had posters on here calling for extreme teamball, claiming that teamwork and beautiful passes are way better than whatever harden was running (ironically heroball with him actually spreading the ball). but no they didn't like the dribble,dribble playstyle. Hell we had some that explicitly said that they would rather we lose than watch harden heroball The teams u pointed out spurs (when was the last time were relevant w/ teamball?, Pistons ('04/sht example, times has change) Heats (Pffft) U play with what you got, u don't fking try to imitate other teams. You talk about maximize the sum total output of the strengths, but u want a Harden centric team to emulate/copy other teams. There is no set surefire way of winning it all. If u want to maximize the strengths, you play around it not try to be something you are not, it's quite simple bro. But now that harden gone. We can't even have heroball, just this shtty teamball.
This is quality content and a decent take, but you're cutting and pasting from different articles without citing the source. This would get an F for plagarism.
My bad, let me get you the sources, one was from an actual podcast Chris Paul did with Darius miles https://spacecityscoop.com/2020/07/01/chris-paul-trevor-ariza-costly-houston-rockets/ The bottom half I put quotes on but didn't source, here it is https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/10/16/21519593/daryl-morey-houston-rockets-luxury-tax-resign Was just focusing on the facts here, but you're right. I would get an F for not citing sources. Hope this helps
Oh, I don't know. That coin toss was between the worst team in each conference. One flip of the coin, winner gets the #1 pick. The odds are 50-50, right? The Rockets won the toss of the coin two years in a row, giving us Sampson and Olajuwon. The league flipped out and the coin toss setup, in use for several years, was tossed out the window. I wish we had that now, instead of the bizarre "system" the league imposed on everyone.
Huge difference between those coin flips and the current 52-48 lotto odds. On the current one, the “48” represents giving up the 5th pick and dropping all the way to 20. Had the Rockets lost the coin flip in 1984, they likely would’ve ended up taking Michael Jordan with the 2nd pick.
lol that’s why Kerr needed Adam silver and Scott foster to beat us in game 1 and game 7 lebron and kyrie beat the warriors in 2016 taking turns going iso lol. The nuggets are winning because they have talent in Jamal Murray and mpj not because of ball movement and JOKIC still gets exploited on the perimeter by guys like harden the suns iso with cp3 and booker when Donovan Mitchell was healthy the jazz had the best record because they were using Mitchell like harden and playing moreyball not many teams play like the warriors or spurs. Teams around the league play like harden and moreys rockets
it irritates the media because they know the younger generation in the nba is copying harden and not who they want in curry. Their isn’t a single player in the nba that wants to play like curry. Relying on illegal screens to score is weak and players don’t respect it. It was different with Reggie Miller and ray allen because the screens were for the most part legal and the refs ALWAYS called moving screens especially in the 2004 and 2005 nba finals against the pistons rip Hamilton. The warriors are basically playing nfl football out there and getting away with it the refs helped the warriors beat us in 2018 this is from game 6 that year. People talk about game 7 but too me the real crime was game 6
I value the players MVP more than the league/media one. I'd imagine the players see the respect from that too although it doesnt have the official history/prestige yet, but great idea by nbpa One example, but some of the stupidest voters who don't even justify their votes
you said no lies, for years in the game thread these posters would critisize harden for his style of play. Not realizing that harden style was for so many years covering up so many holes on this team. No you have your team ball and you see the results
