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Climate Change

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Commodore

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    Restrictions on power plants raise electricity costs. Concurrently, states and regulators are pushing for manufacturers to switch to electric vehicles.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/climate/electric-vehicles-biden-epa.html

     
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    Did you miss the part where the administration is giving billions in subsidies to help the plants convert or the administration has billions in carbon capture which the plants can invest in.

    Nobody is "shutting" down the plants without options. Quit spewing utter garbage
     
  3. Commodore

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    subsidies are a cost to the taxpayer

    TINSTAAFL
     
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    Anti enviromental folks like you have always existed and history shows to ignore folks like you is best thing to do. Do you magically forgot how bad the air was in America during 80s and 70s? In California kids couldn't play outside on most days because air pollution was so bad. Lung cancer and other serious illnesses were through the roof because of pollution. Folks like you cried about the original clean act and claimed it would destroy society. Fast forward a few decades and it was the best investment we've ever made.

    ignoring right wingers when it comes to environmental policies is the only to go. You folks have never been right about anything literally.
     
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    Hunter Biden's laptop
     
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    I don't think people realize how bad pollution was in this country. Kids in schools couldn't play outside because of the air pollution. In Los Angeles schools would be shut down because bus drivers couldn't drive in the pollution. In west virgina child mortality rates were through the roof.

    The same bs arguments were used in 1978. Business ADAPT and adapt their business plans to stay in business. That's how capitalism works in the real world. Power planes aren't going shut down if there's money available for them to pivot.
     
  7. Deckard

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    Yes, subsidence has definitely had it's impact, as it has in broad stretches of Texas, including Houston, as well as, obviously, Louisiana, Florida and elsewhere in our country, and not just around the Gulf. Heck, most of those Houstonians who have lived in a house for years in the city have had to repair their sheetrock due to cracks caused by subsidence, whether they know that's the cause, or not.

    However, it doesn't diminish what the melting of immense amounts of ice in Antarctica, Greenland, and glaciers across the world, all occurring right now., is doing to our world. Impacts that our children will have to deal with far sooner than was believed in as little as the last few years, with recent discoveries astonishing the scientific community.

    I think there is a puzzling imperative in some quarters of the political spectrum to try and portray what climate change, something complex that can be difficult to comprehend, with an impact so staggering that I certainly can understand why it's hard to believe, as an "overblown crisis" that we shouldn't get "so worked up about." Heck, that's the more moderate viewpoint taken by many about climate change and what it is in the process of doing to our world. Yet it is truly an enormous crisis, and one that isn't going away.
     
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    I sadly shake my head at the ignorance that is behind posts like the one from you that I am quoting here.
     
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    Ok. Like I thought - feeling morally superior, but not doing anything yourself. Pretty sure you do not drive an EV which you charge on pure solar energy, like I do.
     
  10. Deckard

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    I don't feel "morally superior." I worry about the world being left to my children, and to their children. You, meanwhile, are more interested in some bizarre "scorecard" you have, thanks to you selling your morals to the "highest bidder." Apparently the governor of Florida. Your infatuation is selling out the future of your own children, which I think you will eventually figure out, too late for you to personally have an impact that means anything.
     
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    But you are avoiding an answer to the question what you are actually doing about it.

    My family's entire energy consumption (other than flying), including car transportation, is 100 % powered by solar energy.

    So why exactly do you think you should sit on a high horse?
     
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    I'm not "avoiding" anything. What I'm doing here, at the moment? I'm attempting to educate people. I've already seen to my children's education, who are grown up, with college degrees, good careers.

    I have an entire life I lead, people I love, friends I care about. All vastly more important to me than someone like you could ever be. Yet I am still interested in telling people, even people like you, that our world is in an enormous crisis. I have time to do that because I am retired and don't have financial worries, unlike so many others. You can laugh it off. It's what people like you tend to do. More's the pity.

    Are you in the middle of a moral crisis? You sound like it.
     
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    But what are you doing to "save the climate"?

    It's always easier to "educate others" (meaning to tell others what they should be doing) than to actually practice what you preach.
     
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    I didn't realize that the Inflation Reduction Act had amended the Clean Air Act to define greenhouse gases as air pollutants. Now, we have both the Supreme Court and Congress affirming this definition.

    However, the West Virginia decision still prevents the EPA from regulating power plants. The IRA didn't address this specifically, but it has provisions to address cleaning up the environment and tackling climate change.
     
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    ... huh? The Supreme didn't stop the epa from regulating power plants. It forced the epa to regulate INDIVIDUAL power plants instead of creating a blanket rules. Epa can regulate as long as congress clearly defines what the issues are. Read this to get a better understanding

    https://www.skadden.com/insights/publications/2022/09/quarterly-insights/west-virginia-v-epa
     
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    It's what I meant. The ruling basically stopped the Biden admin's previous plan to regulate power plants.
     
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    It wasn't the biden plan. It was Obama's that he rolled out before he left. Biden said repeatedly he was NOT going to enact Obamas plan. The biden folks were always going roll out their program.

    The bottom line is democrats CAN regulate power plants and will do this week. The anti climate folks can cope. Elections have consequences.



    @AroundTheWorld this is what true America first policy looks like. Not the garbage trump spews that sips billionaires.

    The Europeans are screwed
     
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    Which is caused mainly be the utterly idiot pumping of water out of the ground leading to land compactification. So another example of bad environmental policy creating permanent damage (as the water can never be pumped back in)
     
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    This is a fair interpretation viewpoint of EPA regulatory authority, but there are also fair consitutional interpretations of a more expansive EPA power that aren't necessarily progressive and actually found in the the history of how this country governs. Don't want to get too into the weeds at this time because it's late and I'm just behing on work....maybe in a month.
     

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