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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Agent94

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    Translation - "I'd rather get paid by a billionaire to push anti climate change propaganda than work in a university."
     
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    She just chuckles like a moron a la Kamala every time she gets a question that exposes her. Don't hold yourself out publicly as the paragon of earthy ecosystems if you can't handle the job little girl.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Asking someone if they are a child actor or an expert is a gotcha?

    Like who is saying that SHE is the source of climate science?

    She's a young person who's advocating for what climate scientists say.

    I really don't understand the actual angle here.

    Are the oil and gas lawyers who go on Fox News debating scientists experts?

    I have had people who deny climate change point to guys like the founder of the weather channel as experts even though he has no science background and created the channel based on his broadcast experience not his experience in climate science.
     
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    So has Ted Cruz headed to Cancun yet after the tornadoes in the Pasadena?
     
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    Sabotaging this pipeline couldn't have been great for the environment

     
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    There is no denying that we need to focus on cutting emissions and it will catch up one day…however…the scale and doom and gloom is clear propaganda.

    the dumbest thing these people did was putting poor Greta to be their puppet. She’s a dumb teenager who was raised by a militant mother, she doesn’t know any better and it shows whenever she talks. At least Malala was a victim and endured/spoke on a tragedy very few people in this world will come close to experiencing


    It’s funny seeing people deflect away from, well who said she’s the expert? I don’t ****ing know, maybe the fact that she across multiple geopolitical ecosystems she’s given the leading voice over thousands of people with decades of experience
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Wait who says shes an expert?
    Why is she a dumb teenager? Is her academics poor or something?

    And who is claiming she's scientist or expert? She's a young person with some privilege who thought this was an important cause most likely due to her parents' interest.

    This concept isn't new or bad. How many kids mimic their parents' profession? My father was a computer engineer, and my brother is also. I'm a MechE. It's just something as a child you are around and you gain curiosity about it due to exposure.

    Environmental activism being picked up by a child isn't some nefarious plot. Like every day there are millions of Christian and Muslim children who are taught that there is eternal torture if you don't fall in line after death. That's far more traumatic and damaging but you won't see mainstream media and people like you who are all in on the "wokeism being an existential crisis" plot touch that issue with a ten foot pole. Insulting parents for brainwashing their children with Christianity? Lol, that is just not in the Overton window in mainstream media yet. Yet you think a child gaining environmental activism as a hobby through her parents as some sort of evil.
     
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    Greta Thunberg does represent a problem with many issues. Is that the focus is on personality. Yes she's not a climate scientist and no one should ever quote her as one. Too many uphold her but also too many attack her as though taking down Greta Thunberg means you're going to take down the cause or what is actually happening regarding the Climate.

    While I'm not argue for measures that need to be taken citing Greta Thunberg I also think it is rather sad for others to attack her. The focus should be on science and policy not personality.
     
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    Greta Thunberg is a (not the) voice of the young people of Earth who are very concerned about their future due to climate change. LOL at thinking she is the voice and is the expert. No, she's just a voice. And if you really don't like her, don't listen to her. Or do what you claim to hate - de-platformed her, censor her. The attacks thrown at her standing, personality, and style are pitiful behaviors by "adults".
     
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    In Massachusetts, we are having -10 degree low in two days and then a day later the low goes back to 30+ degrees.

    That's another thing about increased energy held in the atmosphere, more violent swings in whether and temp.
     
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    Greta is free to milk whatever publicity she can get. Frankly, most people dgaf what she says or believes outside the memes. She has more access to davos-like folks than I'll ever imagine or want to be in, so good for her. I hope she can enjoy the experience though just attempting that knd of effort in Washington rarely gives off any clean feelings for anyone involved.

    Those skeptic bottom feeders attaching onto her like remoras doesn't look that great or not pathetic, but yeah sure, that's their right too.

    Neither is war, but both have brought great tidings to energy and defense stocks.

    War is something folks on both aisles can agree we can afford indefinitely...
     
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    CNN pushing big-time climate denial now

    Extreme cold snaps: Why temperatures still plummet to dangerous levels even as the planet warms

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/world/extreme-cold-arctic-polar-vortex-climate-intl/index.html

    excerpt:

    How settled is the science?
    Not at all. This is a very complex area of research and other scientists are far more cautious.

    There have been a number of cold winters in the US and Asia coinciding with warm winters in the Arctic, James Screen, professor in climate science at Exeter University, told CNN. “The challenge we face is determining cause from effect.”

    Screen co-authored research which used climate models to predict what will happen when Arctic sea ice reduces even further. It found sea ice loss had only a very small effect on the jet stream and there was no real sign of an effect on the polar vortex.

    While the research pointed to warmer Arctic winters and bursts of cold further south, Screen said this can be “explained by normal weather variability.”

    In other words, even as winters warm, cold extremes will still occur – because that’s just how winters work.

    One key criticism of the research linking Arctic changes to severe winter weather is that it’s based on historical data.

    “If we look more at climate model data, we don’t see these types of links or they’re very weak,” Dim Coumou, a climate professor at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, told CNN.

    What scientists do agree on is the need to keep studying these extremely cold spells.

    “We don’t really have enough research yet,” Daniela Domeisen, a climate professor at ETH Zurich, in Switzerland, told CNN. “Eventually we’ll find a solution to this and actually understand the mechanism, but I just think we’re not there yet.”
    can't believe they said the science isn't settled. more at the link
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    Let's start from the beginning so I can help guide you along.


    Let's first start with the concept of "temperature". What is temperature actually measuring and no I'm not referring to whether how cold or hot something is.
     
  19. Amiga

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    You left out this part:

    The theory centers on the Arctic, which is warming up to four times faster than the rest of the world as a result of heat-trapping pollution from burning fossil fuels.

    Some scientists argue that this warming is triggering changes to the jet stream and polar vortex, causing more frequent winter extremes.

    This idea gained traction following the publication of a 2012 study, co-authored by Jennifer Francis, a senior scientist at the Woodwell Climate Research Center in Massachusetts. It suggested that Arctic warming was reducing the difference between the cold temperatures in the north and warm temperatures in the south, leading to a weaker, wavier jet stream, which pushed very cold air southwards.

    Francis’ paper kicked off a debate and, in the decade since, many more scientists have looked at the theory.

    One of the most prominent papers, co-authored by Cohen in 2021, said it found clear links between Arctic warming and disruptions to the polar vortex.

    Cohen’s argument is that particularly rapid heating in an area of the Arctic, north of western Russia, combined with increased snowfall in Siberia, amplifies the waviness of the jet stream and pushes energy upwards. This knocks the polar vortex off course, causing very cold air to spill out.

    The paper linked Arctic warming to extreme winter weather across parts of Asia and North America, including the prolonged cold wave in Texas in 2021.

    “We are not arguing that winters are getting colder overall,” Cohen said. The world is smashing through many more heat records than it is cold records.

    But the idea that climate change will mean fewer swings between extreme temperatures is “an oversimplification,” he said.

    “As we continue to dump greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, and thicken this blanket of greenhouse gasses around the Earth, we will see more extreme events of all sorts, including these cold spells,” Francis told CNN.


    Besides that, this was settled 19 years ago.

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    ps. Those who grow tropical plants and trees in Houston have already noticed the changes, and we can no longer rely on the previous pattern. The new patterns include severe cold snaps every ~2 years, as well as temperatures that are hotter and drier than normal. This has become the new norm.
     
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