None of your conspiracies every do basic questioning of things like motivation and opportunity cost. It's just "they are eco fascists". Though ironically there is a strain of eco activism that does integrate that cooky Nazi mysticism.
Well you're kind of making my point. Keep in mind that deindustrialization isn't the same thing as Socialism. In fact Marx saw industrialization as a going hand in hand with Sociailism. Same with COVID policies. Those really have nothing to do with Socialism. This my point the term "Socialism" has been thrown out there so much that it doesn't really have any meaning anymore except for what one side doesn't like.
Yes I would agree with that that not all solutions to Climate Change are good solutions. That said rhetoric calling response to Climate Change as "SOCIALISM!" or "AUTHORITARIAN!" aren't really helpful or productive. For example market based solutions like Carbon credits (yes I know there are serious questions but that is another topic) certainly aren't either of those but trying to use Capitalism to address the problem.
"Freedom" as the based on the Enlightenment phllosophers like Locke has never been about do whatever you want. There has always been a social element to it. Freedom cannot actually exist in an anarchy but can only function when their is a system of laws that can guarantee rights. Part of that is what are the rights to the "Commons" and things like the environment would count as the commons. To use a 18th C example would be like if a shepherd allowed his flock to overgrave communal fields it wouldn't be an impostion on his freedom to limit grazing but protecting the rights of all others to be able to graze their sheep.
it is if the shoe fits I have a colleague who believes in carbon offsets, which are little more than an updated, reworked version of buying a Catholic indulgence. Bad idea in the 13th century, bad idea now.
You pretty much nailed it. Os posted a climate denial article from a Koch bros shill not too long ago. And the right wingers/libertarians are again being fooled with this obnoxiously stupid amorphous socialism line of reasoning. Os and ATW are the guys that believed smoking was good for you in the 90s. It can't be more obvious that all the anti climate change disinformation comes straight from fossil fuel companies.
So because a fringe party in Germany is trying to use Climate Change to advance their own interests, I don't see the impact on human society at all. I don't think anyone wants to tank economies and end industrialization outside the looneys. They get blown up far too often as the mainstream. But they are not. Ecosystems are delicate things, and humanity depends on ecosystems for life as much as they depend on industrialization and economics. Just as we work to protect economies from destabilization, we must do the same with our environment. The two have to be seen as tightly linked, not either or scenarios. I've yet to hear any major or mainstream movement speak about "deindustrialization". What I do see is a lot of debate over science that should be settled by now, and humanity moving forward with little action. We're not even investing in technology nor innovation at nearly the level necessary to try and control what is increasingly a runaway warming cycle. The real problem is that oil companies see the threat that expanding nuclear power and other alternative energies pose to them, and are using their power extremely effectively to get people think the environmental movement is all about authoritarianism and forcing them to drive tiny cars and walk.
All i know is covid policies have been rolled back while fossil fuel majors are still very powerful and making hand over fist. The fears of authoritarianism feels like yet more sandbagging and a prelude to a conclusion when we don't feel any illusion of control with addressing climate change or affording its consequences (mass species extinction, refuge crises, destruction of high value coastline properties). Can't sacrifice now, pay more later
You are wasting your breath. Seriously. I can't even carry an honest conversation with that dude without shaking my head at his nonsense. I finally just put him on ignore. I even suggested a documentary from one of the most knowledgeable men to ever walk the countries of this planet to try and give him some facts. I'd trust David Attenborough's opinion any day over some guy like ATW when it comes to climate change. He's seen it, lived it, researched it, and filmed this planet his entire adult life.
