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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Yeah, let me tell you. FEMA is doing a smashing job right now.

    You're ultimately missing my point. Texas failure was due to incompetence. That incompetence also flows into the Texan arrogant mentality about how they are bigger and better than everyone, including having their "own grid". Texas problem is much easier to fix.

    Asheville has always been known to fight growth and development (which is by definition, progressivism). Part of this process involves disaster/recovery protocols, which clearly they struggle with. Instead of taking accountable of their incompetence, they blame things they have no control over, such as "climate change". Climate change didnt tell these idiots to build in riverbeds.
     
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    Jeff Masters (NOAA hurricane scientist 1986-1990): Helene’s landfall “gives the U.S. a record eight Cat 4 or Cat 5 Atlantic hurricane landfalls in the past eight years (2017–2024), seven of them being continental U.S. landfalls. That’s as many Cat 4 and 5 landfalls as occurred in the prior 57 years.”
     
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    Relying on the states is what we did before FEMA and other Federal Programs, and it was a disaster, leaving many without the help they needed.

    The states came together and called for a centralized federal response to natural disasters—crises that, even 50 years ago, were far too big for any state to manage on its own, or to count on the hope that others would step in. FEMA was born out of that collaboration when the states asked for federal support.

    And now, MAGA Republicans want to revert to that inefficient, failed model. SMDH. These are real people's lives at stake, not just political theater.
     
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    I certainly won't argue that the system isn't working good. So then what's the solution? A more robust, rapid response system that is actually appropriately funded and with the right mandates? Clearly the main military services have the logistical capabilities but there are rules in place? National guard? But they are kinda slow compared to the main military.

    It was cheaper to not winterize the state electrical grid until one of the most expensive US natural disasters occurred.

    Seems to be a theme across many parts of the US to not build in flood plains and the like.....

    You are acting like natural disasters just fall over specific jurisdictions but infrastructure upstream. For example, Houston's bayou system doesn't just carry water from the city of Houston or Harris County but beyond so when it rains 50 miles NW of Katy some of that water will feed through Harris County and the City of Houston. I know nothing about Ashville, but I know places and areas upstream also have a role to play.
     
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    Trump is one of the liars spreading that stuff. He really never amazes me anymore when he lowers the bar on how low he will stoop to lie to try and make himself look good and his opponent look bad.
     
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    Wow...Paulina Porizkova...what a blast from the past.

    Now I feel old.
     
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    would hit.
     
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    Asheville was pretty progressive to me, especially compared to the surrounding areas. So true on their attempts to limit growth. All it did was raise home prices to very high levels and make the COL terrible for the service industry to where it is California style roommate situations or they commute in from the hitherlands. Beautiful town, but if you're gonna build in riverbeds, perhaps raise the foundation level on structures there.

    A thing I didn't know is that Asheville is home to the historical records for the NOAA, which have likely been flooded out in the basement they were located. Hopefully they were digitized.
     
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    Nearly 40 million Gen Zers will be eligible to vote in November, and experts are predicting the diverse and politically active generation will have a major impact on the election.

    Among voting age Gen Zers, the poll found that 88% believed politicians are responsible for addressing water issues related to climate change.

    The poll found that among those in Gen Z who worry they'll need to move due to climate change, 73% believe it will be because of a water issue such as water pollution, flooding risk, lack of access to clean drinking water and the risk of drought.

    The poll also found that 31% of Gen Z are concerned their generation won't have enough clean water in the future, 72% are concerned about pollution in their waterways and 66% are worried about the health of the fish and oceans.

    "Young people are demanding real action from politicians to stop the climate crisis and protect our rights to clean air and water."

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gen...ng-politicians-responsible/story?id=114084851

    https://www.fox10phoenix.com/electi...-will-play-major-role-years-presidential-race

    Only one of the Presidential candidates is addressing climate change issues. The other is a climate change denier and wants to strip away regulations that help protect our air and water.
     
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    This last Hurricane is just do devastating to so many states and towns, I was watching an interview with one small town in NC and the mayor said they can't repair, it has to be a rebuild of EVERYTHING, stores, homes, roads, infrastructure etc............I can't fathom the devastation and I've been through a few, but nothing like that. This will be Billions on Billions of dollars, and I have a feeling some insurance companies wont make it with all the losses. Hopefully we won't see grifters and snake oil salesman trying to turn a hefty profit on the backs of these poor folks.
     
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    Much of this construction was done when these kinds of events were 100 year or 500 year occurrence and prior to even knowing that. Builders build to make money, and people don't understand risks - it's just human nature. And yes climate change makes these things more likely and more severe. A storm generating 15% more rainfall is the difference in bad vs catastrophic.

    This is where libertarianism fails. You can't just take one kind of philosophy and say - everything should be this way! Capitalism, socialism, gov't, individualism - all need to be balanced in a way that takes the best from both while limiting the damage from the worst aspects.

    But when your man Trump rolls back Flood building codes because he wanted to undo everything Obama did, and then you cry about building in flood plains - I mean, that's just rich.
     
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    Lol…. Louisiana and Texas and our years of hurricanes have felt that “indifference” and wasn’t Trump in charge for some of those hurricanes that hit?

    DeSantis didn’t send anyone to help when areas Houston didn’t have power for almost a week. Strange…. spent a couple of hundred millions to bus migrants up north….
     
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