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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Now you want socialism?
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    You realize NC has a Democrat governor right? It's insanely weird to pin this historic storm with historic flood levels and rain (they got a years worth of rain in 2 days like Houston had with Harvey) on political lines. But since you brought it up, it's the Republican governor sending help from his own state.
     
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    They are not ever increasing. Asheville dealt with flooding like this 1
    In 1916, which was the last time.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    As noted, the Infrastructure bill which was BIPARTISAN, but supported by almost all Democrats was just signed into law two years ago. So many of the dam projects that failed here are projects that will take years to deploy.

    Florida has had nearly a century of habitat to know for and plan for extreme weather.

    This is not a huge political win or loss for anyone at the moment. STOP trying to politicize this weather event. It's disgusting, and you SHOULD BE ashamed of yourself, but I know that shame is lacking nowadays.

    Yes.... If Biden drops the ball this week now that FEMA and the military should now be able to gain access at least from air, then yes we can blame Biden in due time. That's fair, but the storm literally is still in Virginia. There is nothing FEMA and Biden could have done even if they wanted to.

    Please let me know if that is not fair, or if you are expecting God-like powers for Biden where he could detect weather patterns, and call up his ally Zeus who controls the weather, and deter the Hurricane over the Atlantic and push the storm over to the Middle East to flood Iran instead.
     
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    No need to worry as climate change is a hoax(if you are a GOP supporter). If you are Democrat supporter, let's tariff the hell out of EVs, solar panels and other clean energy as long as they are no made it the US, when US cannot make these cheap enough for the majority of the population.
     
  7. Scarface281

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    If residents with personal helicopters have been dropping supplies for people then FEMA should have did that days ago.

    You sound like a Bush supporter during Katrina. "FEMA is doing all it can". Yeah right
     
  8. dobro1229

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    Yeah I understand why we need to protect our auto industry for obvious reasons. If we don't protect Detroit and the Auto industry, we probably lose Michigan voters, and then lose the election, and the lose Democracy.

    However it is frustrating for those of us not in the auto industry that do want greater access to green technology for solar panels, and EV's. I might decide to not waste my money on POS made in china stuff, and spend more for quality products. However I do want there to be inexpensive and accessible options because the climate change issue is dire, and the US industry isn't acting as fast they need to.

    The infrastructure act though is a huge boost to those efforts here domestically, and I do think over time we'll see these changes, and we'll also see a boom to our economy with those manufacturing efforts here in the US adding to good paying jobs, and local economies improving with good jobs there. However now from 2023 to 2030, I don't necessarily agree with tariffs on Chinese solar panels especially. EV's... I don't really know enough about what there is to offer, but I do know firsthand that American made solar panels, and the retailers & installers have that market way too unaffordable, and it makes more sense for me to pay a bit more with my electricity bill to get my electricity from an energy company that uses more wind energy here in the Texas.

    So yeah, I'm kind of with you here. A bit ignorant on Chinese EV's, but on Chinese solar panels, I would like to see that tariff lifted for at least a couple years until our solar manufacturing is better equip to handle the demand.
     
  9. dobro1229

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    Nice gaslighting attempt. You know that Democrats cringe at the idea of ever being associated with anything positive about W so you use that to try and instigate some good ole fashion gaslighting.

    You are disgusting for trying to politicize this, and fck you for trying to gaslight me. I've already said that Biden will have blame if he doesn't mobilize this week. Nobody in weather projected that western NC would be hit this hard. Nobody. All preparation efforts were focused on Florida around the Tallahassee region where the weather experts projected there could be massive damage due to trees, and wind.

    Biden issued an emergency 4 days ago. Even before your heroes with the personal airplane in the area helped out their neighbors which is great.

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/...approves-emergency-declaration-north-carolina

    But acting like Biden is openly acting TO HURT North Carolina is asinine, and pathetic.
     
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    Why didn't Biden just Sharpie the storm into Mexico? Does he hate America?
     
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    Handouts for aid aren't socialism when red hatters ask for them. Hypocrisy is their Bible. Residents and business owners in Florida, Texas, and Louisiana would be screwed without federal assistance every year. The states can't provide enough aid, money, or assistance.
     
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    not sure what your point is.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    The point is you have no high ground here to cry about Democrats and disaster mgmt. The answer from the way you vote is literally for privatization of FEMA aid where individual's have to pay out of their pocket and manage their own personal disaster relief.

    The way that you vote and what you are an online activist for negates you EVER being able to preach to us with a straight face that you have moral high ground to stand on. You are a hypocrite who is using a disaster where people are dying in order to try and bolster your online activism in order to score political points.

    And don't sit here and do the whole play dumb routine. You want to vote libertarian, or MAGA Republican.... be prepared to own up to what that actually means in terms of written down policy on items such as disaster mgmt., FEMA, and climate change.

    Or maybe just sit this one out.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    Asheville deals with floods pretty often. Sure, its true they haven't not seen one to this scale in a century, but they are well aware hurricanes flood these mountain towns.
    Asheville like to pretend they are a progressive town, which is true if you only consider social aspects. However when it comes to growth and modernization, they resist it intensely. Liberalism struggles with being practical.
     
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    Conservatives certainly have no problem politicizing this as well.

    Good for Florida, but they are sending how much exactly in resources? In the end Florida, Georgia, TN, and NC will all be getting many billions in federal aid and relief.
     
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    This.

     
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    Texas conservatism struggles with it mightily. The big freeze here was a colossal conservative failure at the state level.

    Why should major flooding initiatives be done at the municipal level anyway? Water doesn't just stay in arbitrary lines. If anything, small government/local government has shown to be terrible way to manage these issues.
     
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    You're the one who brought up North Carolina's preparedness and tried to make this a political issue but you missed the fact that NC has a Democrat governor. It’s ironic you’re saying conservatives are politicizing this when it was your comment that pinned this on conservatives.

    DeSantis sending help is a perfect example of bipartisan cooperation. we all know federal aid is coming, but that doesn’t change the fact that state-to-state help is happening right now, regardless of party affiliation.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Nope. I initially responded to you because you made the comment "the Fed response has been crap" and posted a politicalized tweet.

    I also said NC among other states. My point was about how states do a poor job of preparing and managing natural disasters. Clearly the way we are doing things isn't working and I don't think small government/state funded initiatives are the way to prepare for natural disasters that don't follow arbitrary boundaries. Texas, Florida, Louisiana, and California are becoming very expensive to keep cleaning up and will keep increasing everyone's insurance.

    If DeSantis didn't mind spending money to bus migrants up north, why couldn't he have sent help when Houston didn't have power for days? Or any number of major weather events in the past couple of years to various states along the Gulf Coast.

    On the one hand, glad NC is getting some extra help but I don't think DeSantis is capable of doing anything politically out of altruism.
     

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