Why are we seeing record global temp.... Below article is from one month ago before El Nino developed but expected to. El Nino has now developed. https://public.wmo.int/en/media/pre...ratures-set-reach-new-records-next-five-years Geneva, 17 May 2023 (WMO) – Global temperatures are likely to surge to record levels in the next five years, fuelled by heat-trapping greenhouse gases and a naturally occurring El Niño event, according to a new update issued by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). There is a 66% likelihood that the annual average near-surface global temperature between 2023 and 2027 will be more than 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels for at least one year. There is a 98% likelihood that at least one of the next five years, and the five-year period as a whole, will be the warmest on record. “This report does not mean that we will permanently exceed the 1.5°C level specified in the Paris Agreement which refers to long-term warming over many years. However, WMO is sounding the alarm that we will breach the 1.5°C level on a temporary basis with increasing frequency,” said WMO Secretary-General Prof. Petteri Taalas. “A warming El Niño is expected to develop in the coming months and this will combine with human-induced climate change to push global temperatures into uncharted territory,” he said. “This will have far-reaching repercussions for health, food security, water management and the environment. We need to be prepared,” said Prof. Taalas. There is only a 32% chance that the five-year mean will exceed the 1.5°C threshold, according to the Global Annual to Decadal Climate Update produced by the United Kingdom’s Met Office, the WMO lead centre for such predictions. The chance of temporarily exceeding 1.5°C has risen steadily since 2015, when it was close to zero. For the years between 2017 and 2021, there was a 10% chance of exceedance. “Global mean temperatures are predicted to continue increasing, moving us away further and further away from the climate we are used to,” said Dr Leon Hermanson, a Met Office expert scientist who led the report. Key points The average global temperature in 2022 was about 1.15°C above the 1850-1900 average. The cooling influence of La Niña conditions over much of the past three years temporarily reined in the longer-term warming trend. But La Niña ended in March 2023 and an El Niño is forecast to develop in the coming months. Typically, El Niño increases global temperatures in the year after it develops – in this case this would be 2024. The annual mean global near-surface temperature for each year between 2023 and 2027 is predicted to be between 1.1°C and 1.8°C higher than the 1850-1900 average. This is used as a baseline because it was before the emission of greenhouse gases from human and industrial activities. There is a 98% chance of at least one in the next five years beating the temperature record set in 2016, when there was an exceptionally strong El Niño. The chance of the five-year mean for 2023-2027 being higher than the last five years is also 98%. Arctic warming is disproportionately high. Compared to the 1991-2020 average, the temperature anomaly is predicted to be more than three times as large as the global mean anomaly when averaged over the next five northern hemisphere extended winters. Predicted precipitation patterns for the May to September 2023-2027 average, compared to the 1991-2020 average, suggest increased rainfall in the Sahel, northern Europe, Alaska and northern Siberia, and reduced rainfall for this season over the Amazon and parts of Australia. ...
https://ycharts.com/indicators/world_oil_consumption oil consumption hasn't dropped. it's risen. https://www.iea.org/news/growth-in-global-oil-demand-is-set-to-slow-significantly-by-2028 "The Oil 2023 medium-term market report forecasts that based on current government policies and market trends, global oil demand will rise by 6% between 2022 and 2028 to reach 105.7 million barrels per day (mb/d) – supported by robust demand from the petrochemical and aviation sectors"
Huh? Oil consumption isn't the same as emissions emitted? Co2 emissions are on a downwards projection now? What's your point
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/06/three-days-earlier-i-had-booked-hertzs.html an hour ago "Three days earlier, I had booked Hertz’s cheapest option.... What I did not consider was an electric car...." by noreply@blogger.com (Ann Althouse) June 17, 2023 "With no forewarning, no experience driving an EV, and virtually no guidance, what was supposed to be a restful trip upstate was anything but. Just a few hours of highway driving would sap the battery, leaving me and my friends scrounging for public chargers in desolate parking lots, the top floors of garages, and hotels with plugs marked for guests only. It was a crash course in EVs for four people who had never heard of CCS versus CHAdemo, the 80/20 rule, and Level 3 chargers. After my disastrous weekend, I talked to three rental-car experts: All of them were familiar with the phenomenon of the surprise EV, a result of how much the industry is leaning into electric cars...." I'm reading "Car-Rental Companies Are Ruining EVs/Surprise electric vehicles are not ambassadors for change" by Saahil Desai (The Atlantic). Posted by Ann Althouse at 10:08 AM
Speaking of logical fallacies, do you know who Brian McNoldy is? Don’t go look him up first then come back with your answer.
Not at all. It’s a combination of both CO2 and El Niño. I’m just pointing out that it’s a significant anomaly even with all the battery/electric vehicles, green energy, etc. we have today. It certainly isn’t having an opposite effect, but it isn’t helping either. The extraction of lithium and the manufacturing process of batteries isn’t exactly “green” and has significant impacts on the environment. Especially water consumption in parts of the world that already have water issues. Plus there is really no way to recycle them either. At least not yet
Why does who he is matter at all to my point? I'm not saying he has a problem with logic or is post, I am saying you have a problem with logic. We have a CO2 problem causing temps to rise. Plain and simple. This year in his charts is looking to be the worst on record. That's not because of lithium ion batteries. You just jump at whatever you see on Twitter. Without any context you jump to conclusions. That's my point.
The climate isn’t something that can rapidly change. It took decades to build up the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and even if we stopped all emissions it will take time for it to reduce.
Lol.. I have a problem? Context much? https://grist.org/climate/why-is-the-summer-off-to-such-an-extreme-start/ You literally have no idea what you’re talking about but you want to fantasize about being right. Take the L man. You are the definition of ignorant, jump on the next bandwagon, say whatever the next trend is…. to be “popular”. LoL… But you’re forgotten the next second something changes. Be about something and stand for something. Followers are what’s wrong with our society.
You didn't even refute or address what I wrote, instead just launched into a diatribe of personal attacks. Hopefully that made you feel good.
Cool story bro. What did you write worth refuting? Again, please re-read our back and forth in this thread and let me know where the attacks started. LoL. It’s like you forget what you wrote then just respond to the latest response. You do this all the time in this thread and it’s exhausting. If you have no real basis or point to what you’re saying, don’t respond. Especially if you can’t even keep up with the conversation.
Please show me where I personally attacked you. I pointed out the flaw in your logic, that assuming because temperatures are rising still it means that car batteries are the cause. Your response is an article that has nothing to do with EV car batteries or climate change, but rather that this is going to be a really hot summer. If you want to debate you need to think out your arguments and make a logical argument, not just post random stuff that has no context.
Just read for once. If you read up and see my responses, you will clearly see you are making an assumption off of one word in a post that was actually slanted by another poster. If you would actually read something without letting your political views interfere with what is stated, it would be pretty clear. I don’t see how you can criticize the logic of having more electric vehicles, windmills, batteries, etc. has stopped the global temp and CO2 rising when it clearly hasn’t. Perhaps you could argue it’s going to take a decade, century, blah blah blah, or side with the argument climate exist and the earth has gone through numerous cycles of temp/CO2 swings. And to answer your question- A statement like “when twitter is your source of knowledge” without even understanding what that post is, or who posted it, is a personal attack on the person who posted it here. It’s one thing to post opinion pieces from twitter and claim it’s a fact, it’s another when it is a fact and you act as if it’s some political opinion piece.
So your claim is what? That we have failed to stop CO2 emissions? What's the actual point you're trying to make? That green energy is failed therefore....what exactly? We should stop using green energy and increase CO2 emissions even more? Your argument is basically that since medicines don't stop you from dying eventually, they all fail. The remark about Twitter is how in general people take posts out of context. You just posted a graph about how this summer was making things warmer and it had nothing to do with electric batteries lol. So yeah, maybe the issue isn't your source but rather your logic.
Again, just spend your time talking in circles. Typical liberal banter with no real sense or reason.. You’ve been owned by just about everyone on this board and you still can’t get out of your own way. Have a good one clown!
That's not an anomaly. Significant progress has been made in adopting "green" energy sources, and this trend will continue. However, it is not yet sufficient to bring down the levels of CO2 emissions caused by human activities. The turning point for a downward shift in CO2 emissions will likely occur in the next few decades (2030s), based on the global transition to green energy. Meanwhile, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere continues to rise (we crossed over 400 ppm last month). There is also a time lag between CO2 levels and global temperatures. It will likely take decades to hundreds of years for global temperatures to "catch up" with the level of CO2 concentration. Even if we were to achieve a complete transition to 100% green energy tomorrow, the impact of this change would not be felt within our lifetime. It is a change that will primarily benefit our grandchildren. The actions taken by previous generations are already impacting us and will affect future generations, including our children.
@davidio840 has no idea what he is talking about. He's just here to insult people. Don't waste your time.
Yes even as green energy sources have gotten more popular there is more development happening that is leading to the growth of greenhouse gases. Also things like deforestation including major forest fires that are contributing to CO2 emissions. I will emphasize again that the adoption of green technology isn’t just about climate change. Reducing dependence on fossil Fuels has other benefits besides just reducing CO2. It also improves air quality in general, provides for a more robust energy infrastructure.
