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[Climate Change] Lake Erie up to 60% Covered in Ice

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Jan 13, 2015.

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  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    More models and ideas the IPCC does not endorse. And you should read what you post in full, there is an update to that article available here: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/
     
    #341 Cohete Rojo, Feb 6, 2015
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You used those words (hundreds of thousands of years) so I am not sure why you are not sure how to respond. You have to explain your own words, not me.

    The report seems to indeed claim that glaciation is not going to happen with CO2 levels at their present level. That all glaciation in the past happened with CO2 levels at pre-industrial levels.
     
    #342 Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 6, 2015
  3. Amiga

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    Well thx. I did read that post which was linked from the previous one I sent you.

    What do you mean by models and ideas the IPCC does not endores? IPCC absolutely endorse AGW with CO2 as the primary driver. I'm not sure what you are saying?
     
    #343 Amiga, Feb 6, 2015
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    You're twisting words. 'Hunderds or thousands of years'. Even then, variability on a decadal time scale is expected - isn't that what some people argue that we shouldn't worry about the global warming pause in regards to what the IPCC has forecast?

    I don't know what you are talking about?
     
    #344 Cohete Rojo, Feb 8, 2015
  5. Cohete Rojo

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    Yes, folks, this is real. The previous storm lead to 15 deaths.

     
    #345 Cohete Rojo, Feb 9, 2015
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You do realize that snowfall amounts is related to global participation - not global warming.

    This is the sort of ignorance logic has to deal with. Intelligence has an uphill battle folks.
     
    #346 Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 9, 2015
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    I am honored that you believe my current residence, New England, represents a correlation of the entire planet Earth. New England is the epicenter of the planet.
     
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  8. Cohete Rojo

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    Of course, which is why we've been hearing so much about this in the media. It's interesting that AR4 really didn't touch up on snowfall changes, but here is what I found in AR5:

    It's not really a projection, just more of an observation about frequency of events, not magnitude.

    I'm just waiting for Bloomberg to run its next headline: "It's Global Warming, Stupid: Part II"
     
    #348 Cohete Rojo, Feb 10, 2015
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    Somewhere 50 pages back, we talked about how higher energy levels within the atmosphere causes more translocation of air masses between the Equator and the Poles. Don't think 'global warming' think greater energy transfers, that's why you get more extreme weather, some dryer, some wetter, some more snowy, more tornados, bigger cyclones and hurricanes. The Earth captures more energy with greater concentrations of greenhouse gasses, and more energy yields more potential to do work, like moving air.
     
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  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Why are you pointing to one event? What are you actually trying to say?

    That global warming isn't happening because we still have winter storms?

    The evidence for warming is so overwhelming from so many sources that the reports you read say it's happening. And yet you find ways to use the very same reports and reinterpret them to say it's questionable.

    I will trust the scientists on this one - call me crazy!
     
    #350 Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 10, 2015
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Seriously this is what you're reduced to arguing?

    We've had record warmth in Minnesota this winter so if you're talking weather then that trumps big snow in New England. :p

    I don't know if you're just trolling now or if you actually believe this.
     
    #351 rocketsjudoka, Feb 10, 2015
  12. Amiga

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    I think this pic is now in order.

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  13. Cohete Rojo

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    I'm trying to approach the subject matter with the same general tone and appeal as seen by the MSM and members of this forum. One of my aims is to show that my sarcastic and facetious comments are no different than what we have heard after hurricanes, wildfires, ice melts, droughts, etc. Like I said earlier, even the IPCC says that local observation of climate change on the local level is a faith based conclusion.
     
    #353 Cohete Rojo, Feb 10, 2015
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    So what happened to the lake? Did it freeze over? Reach 70%? Turn into a puddle? Seriously, what's up with the lake?
     
    #354 Deckard, Feb 10, 2015
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    The adjusted numbers say that it was never 60% covered in ice, rather it was always 85 degrees and sunny.
     
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    Essentially, your stance is:

    How can climate change exist if we still have winter?

    Alrighty then...
     
    #357 Rashmon, Feb 10, 2015
  18. Cohete Rojo

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    My point is not to debate that global warming can't happen but instead to debate against CO2 driven climate change. I have read through some of the IPCC and come to a conclusion that I have too many doubts to believe those particular claims with anything other than a extremely very low confidence (using IPCC language :cool:).

    The magnitude of uncertainty and lack of understanding as admitted by the IPCC pretty much boils down to: we really don't know what the oceans are doing and only have about 50 years worth of good data to make these models. And the oceans are responsible for something like 90% of heat production. Just seems like it'd be difficult to nail down CO2 rise as the dominant cause of all this warming
     
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  19. Cohete Rojo

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    Right now, there has been and is near record Antarctic sea ice extent this summer.

    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    Considering your claims in the other climate change thread about the California drought and the above statement regarding Minnesota, I decided to do some fact checking of my own:

    As far as the three month divisional average goes, there was no record warmth in Minnesota, unless you were referring to a smaller area or specific metropolitan area. I know that November is not winter and that most of December does not fall under winter, so I will provide the January 2015 average:

     
    #359 Cohete Rojo, Feb 12, 2015
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    I can't speak for the MSM but members of this forum have gone to great lengths to explain some fairly complicated principles. Further member of this forum have stated repeatedly the difference between Climate and Weather.

    You've continued to ignore that and now admit that your comments are sarcastic and facetious. In other words trolling.
     
    #360 rocketsjudoka, Feb 12, 2015
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