I think that Rocket will probably retire or play for the Astros, but I wouldn't sayit is certain. For Roger Clemens, money does seem to have been his first priority above all else for much of his career. He's been wearing EA stuff, and pimping them bigtime lately, so he's obviously still working it for money. So it isn't like he's above that kind mindset. That being said, I still believe he will stick with the Astros.
Yes--and ad nauseum you've ignored everyone else's points while repeating your own drivel. I have arrived at the conclusion that you like to hear yourself whine. Kinda like the old saying, "Misery loves company," a person who refuses to be consoled based on logic and reality because the misery and the whining is just far too comfortable. But, go ahead--call me a sheep and "blind". Whiner.
Get a life dude. I'm not a whiner at all, just a true fan that isn't afraid to call out my team when they screw up. You're a mindless boob that hasn't contributed to this conversation at all. I'm still waiting on you to point out exactly how our team is in better shape now than we were before. But you can't can you? Just STFU already.
oh, good grief. You have a right to whine, and I have to right to ridicule your whining. I've pointed out, as have others, ad nauseum, how this team is in good shape. The fact that you have ignored it--ad nauseum--makes it all the more ironic when you call others "mindless".
I would think you would agree that offensively, the team is better today than they were the day after the World Series ended. They added Wilson and players such as Burke should progress. It can also be argued that the pitching has not fallen off that much since September. Clemens was a shadow of himself late in the year (5.40 September ERA) due to his back and hamstring problems. As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone even knows if Clemens will be healthy enough to pitch when spring training starts. We all remember the remarkable 3 innings in the clinching Atlanta game, but we tend to forget the 5 runs in 5 innings in the game 2 loss. He sucked it up and pitched well in game 2 against the Cardinals, but his health let him down again in game one of the World Series. The team appears to, at the very least, be equal to the team that played in October.
Everyone can acknowledge your logic here except Aceswhine7--who will, later one today or perhaps tomorrow, post yet another 4-point "expose" of how the Astros have "completely botched" this offseason and will include a bitter diatribe about how all the "so-called" fans "have yet to tell him how" (despite this, yet another good recount). It will also include references to blindness, sheep, mindlessness, and apologetics--and his new whine, "I can't believe I already bought season tickets!!" As they say elsewhere, WFW.
Yup, you're a true fan who wants your team to lose a player that you think would help the team - just so other fans can be proven wrong. Yeah, you're a quality fan. This ring a bell? I hope he goes to the Rangers. The Astros botched this big time and I would love for these so called "fans" defending the Astros' handling of this to be shown wrong.
People who resort to the "true fan" schtick generally a) are self-righteous and b) don't have enough logical support for their position, so resort to the easily accessible ad hominem logical fallacy.
If Roger plays this season but does it in Arlington or the Bronx or --- does that imply he is rootless or money grubbing or --- ???
He simply wants to play more? And money isn't everything, but if you could play for 12 million instead of 6 million, why not do so? If it's worth your time to do something, why not make a little extra money? And before we start the "he had a bad Sept, he's over the hill" rant, he won the cy young two years ago and the era crown last year. If any pitcher's performance validates a blank check any year, I'd think Roger would be one. Y'all act like he went 10-12 last year with a 4+ era. If we want to point out Sept, that's fine. But, how many games did the Astro offense cost Roger early on?
Roger had a phenomenal season and should have been about 20-4 through August with another Cy Young - I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The problem with respect to pointing out his poor finish is the health and normal age concerns of a 43 year old athlete that apparently broke down at the end of the year. Do you want to invest potentially 25 million (which is probably around what he would have gotten had they gone to arbitration) in a pitcher that may not last through the season (or may not even be able to begin the season)? How about 20 million? Since Clemens himself was unwilling to negotiate prior to February or March, the Astros had to make a tough decision. It's not like we are talking about a young pitcher who suffered some freak injuries. Clemens injuries appear to be directly related to his age.
Aces - I'm a long time season ticket holder as well....and I am actually a lot more excited going into this year than in the past. Granted, on paper, our offense has seen better days, BUT, compared to the lineup we strutted out there in October, we are better. Not only does adding Wilson help, but having our young gyus experience baseball deep into Oct is going to help considerably as far as experience. Hell, Burke hit what may be the BIGGEST HR IN ASTRO HISTORY! (not to mention the moonshot he hit in game 1 or 2 in St Louis)...the guy is a gamer. Mo showed what he could do when healthy....and Berkman is as good of a hitter as anyone in the league. We also found out that we have arguably the best 7-8-9 th innings guys in the game as a whole. I'd love to have Roger in the rotation as well.....and I actually think he may come back....but if he doesn't, it wont be to play elsewhere...it'll be because he cant do it anymore.
How has this offseason been botched? Clemens hasn't signed with anyone else yet. We picked up a decent outfielder and a lefty for our pen. The Bagwell situation is ugly, but if he can play he will. What specifically would you have done that the Astros didn't (besides offering Clemens arbitration)?
I'm gonna just take what everybody else said after you posted this and wrap it up in a nice little bow...from me to you. You obivously don't get it. I'll also add that your "theory" that Clemens and his agent understood the Astros decision was all about the money makes absolutely no sense at all. Because we all know the Astros were courting Clemens the very second the World Series ended. If they never were gonna offer him arbitration why did they state, ad-nauseum, that they wanted him back.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASAp...t_id=1303512&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou Tom Hicks indeed appears to be in heavy pursuit of Clemens. You're going to hear lots of rumors and speculation in the coming weeks, and you'll have to decide for yourself what you take as truth and what is idle chatter. I have not talked to Clemens about what he's thinking, but I'm sticking with my earlier assertion that he's going to return to the Astros sometime in '06. Negotiations will begin in early May and he'll probably be ready to make his first start in June. I do not think he'll return to the American League. I also do not think that his body will hold up in the Texas heat in an open-air ballpark. I believe he has the best chance of succeeding in Houston. I do not know what his health status is, nor do I know how badly he wants to pitch another year. But if his back, hamstrings and desire hold up, I believe he'll be back, in Houston.
