Clemens v. McNamee: With Physical Evidence, who do you believe

Lidocaine isn't just a dental anesthetic and Clemens never said he used it in the butt...that was concocted by the media. He said he used the Lidocaine for his joints (which is still a shaky argument)

 

Everyone Mcnamee has named has come clean except for Clemens. Why would he lie about him only?? Thats why I believe the trainer and from the start I said if Clemens is innocent why did he need to hire a team of lawyers he hasnt been charged with any crime. I smell a rat and its the guy claiming he is innocent.

 

Clemens did say he was injected in the butt at the press conference. Lidocaine wouldn't be used for joint problems though, and why would he have his personal trainer instead of the team doctor inject him with Lidocaine?

 

Lidocaine is a local anesthetic, so it would only numb the area that it is injected in...really has zero impact on joints.

 

^^^ Like I said...it's still a pretty weak argument...especially when he initially denied ever being injected at all.

A shame though that Spring Training is beginning this week but you wouldn't really know it because this mess is dominating headlines.

 

He's being deposed for 5 hours. He's giving congressional testimony. Yeah, you generally hire attorneys for those sorts of things.

Oh, and when you sue someone, you usually hire an attorney for that, too, unless you're in small claims court.

 

Rusty Hardin is the only one that is going to come out on top in all of this, he will milk Clemens for millions in billable hours.

DD

 

Little known fact Max. Anyone who has ever hired an attorney in the history of man has been guilty that crime/allegation. Ever. Y. One.

 

Jason Whitlock on Clemens. Interesting metaphors.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7785720/Clemens-fighting-to-save-his-butt-...-kissers#

Clemens fighting to save his butt ... kissers
by Jason Whitlock

If Roger Clemens is lying — which I tend to believe he is — then his major crime is being unable to imagine a life worth living without constant, pervasive fan adulation.

Seriously, if the guy isn't telling the truth, all he's really fighting for is the right to show up in any restaurant in America and get a table without waiting, a round of drinks on the house and some groupie telling him he's the greatest.

He's a crackhead, a celebrity addicted to human lips resting on the crack of his/her rear end.

And, as we know, crackheads do dumb stuff, like spend a week in the nation's capital whining and dining lying politicians, begging them to believe that the game's greatest pitcher took B-12 shots in the butt, not steroids.

No one, and I mean no one, lies more frequently and boldly than a crackhead in search of his next hit/kiss of the rear.

It took video evidence to get former Washington, D.C., mayor Marion Barry to admit he hit the pipe and 14,000 text messages for Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick to acknowledge he hit his fine-ass chief of staff. And you think Roger "Pookie" Clemens is going to crack because Brian McNamee has a couple of pictures, a few dirty syringes and blood-stained gauze? Hell, Monica Lewinsky had the president's happy ending splattered on her favorite Sunday dress and Clinton never copped.

No, Roger is not going to give up his life of self- and fan-worship without an ugly, desperate fight.

Say what you want about Barry Bonds, but if he turned to the needle, he did it solely to dominate the game, keep pace with McGwire and Sosa and help the Giants win games. Bonds couldn't care less what anybody outside his immediate circle thinks about him.

Roger, it appears, is consumed with image. He's worried about what guys like Bob Costas think. Roger wants to give Costas, Lupica and all the other baseball-is-America keepers of the faith a reason to believe Roger is better than Barry.

Costas sold that line of garbage on Bill Maher's HBO talk show last week. Somehow Costas argued that Brian McNamee's sworn statements about rear-ending Roger and his wife with HGH was less compelling evidence than the gossipy book "Game of Shadows." Maher, even more incredibly, bought Costas' line of (spit) and argued that jealousy motivated McNamee's testimony.

And you thought Johnnie Cochran was a slick lawyer. Clemens has his own Dream Team of attorneys and media groupies.

Why would any sane, rational, free-of-bias person believe McNamee is lying? He told the truth about Andy Pettitte. Why risk incarceration and lie on Clemens and his wife?

On Thursday, Clemens' attorneys compared McNamee and his allegations to Duke lacrosse. Well, we know why the Duke hooker lied. She was drunk, high, embarrassed and, according to what we learned later, prone toward making up rape allegations when the mood struck her.

McNamee, as far as we know, was prone toward helping athletes cut corners to get big and strong and under threat of indictment when he fingered Pettitte and Clemens to the feds. The only way McNamee could win an all-expenses-paid trip to the Big House was by, for instance, falsely accusing the greatest pitcher in baseball of using human growth hormone and other drugs.

McNamee had no incentive to exaggerate or lie. And I don't care that he might have gotten a detail wrong about seeing Clemens at a Jose Canseco party. There's a huge difference between remembering who was at a party and recalling puncturing Debbie Clemens' firm booty. Grown men don't lie on their needles.

The former cop (the absolute last person who would want to go to jail) had every incentive to tell the whole truth. Let's say McNamee had simply squealed on Pettitte and left Clemens' name out of the Mitchell Report. McNamee would've opened himself up to Pettitte alleging that McNamee protected Clemens and wasn't completely forthright with investigators.

McNamee lying makes no sense. Pookie twisting the truth makes perfect sense.

Clemens doesn't want his life to change. He's addicted to being the most important and celebrated man in Texas. A steroids conviction in the court of public opinion would sentence him to a life outside the spotlight, a life Mark McGwire intelligently chose.

I guess, in Clemens' mind, McGwire might as well be O.J. Simpson.

Clemens is wrong. White folks can't wait to forgive Clemens. All he needed to do was offer the same kind of half-hearted apology Jason Giambi gave. A momentary show of contrition and the steroid witch hunters would've returned to their primary mission of tar and feathering Barry Bonds.

Right now, the masses are upset with Clemens because he's turned attention away from Bonds by claiming innocence and glad-handing congressmen. The witch hunters never wanted to burn Clemens at a stake.

You never heard them talk about Clemens' hat size, muscle growth, physique change and career resurrection with the kind of passion and righteous indignation they discussed Bonds. No, Clemens and McNamee were celebrated for their work ethic. For years we've been shown pictures of a 21-year-old Bonds juxtaposed against the 40-year-old Bonds. This is supposed to be undeniable proof that Barry did steroids. I've never seen one ESPN show do a similar picture graphic of Clemens.

Roger has screwed this whole thing up, turned a Giambi situation into a Pete Rose situation. Clemens should've said he tried it a few times, regrets doing it and wants to be forgiven. Yeah, he would've had to wait a few years to enter the Hall of Fame and wait a few minutes to get a table at a couple of restaurants, but eventually all lips would've returned to his rear end.

 

Now, as unlikely as it is, I want Clemens to turn up utterly clean. Unlikely, I know. But that idiot just made it about race??? Give me a freaking break. Bonds took it in the chin because he's a first-class jackass, not because of race. And last I checked, Clemens is taking quite a bit of heat, too.

 

Whitlock is very inflammatory. It's the way he writes and a lot of times it's unnecessary. To give you an idea of how Whitlock is, he took to the airwaves and viciously roasted Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as hypocritical "ambulance chasers" when they jumped on Imus. Whitlock is an equal-opportunity flame-thrower.

What about his comments on Clemens being addicted to fan adoration? I completely agree.

 

Certainly looks that way. But even a moron can call the sky "blue".

Imus was dead wrong, but Jackson and Sharpton are media whores indeed. With regard to media whoredom, Rocket can't carry their jock.

 

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Compartively, I disagree. Roger's the biggest media w**** in baseball.

 

No doubt and pretty much the crux of the artcle above.

DD

 

Relatively, comparatively, per capita, and any other way you put it, Jesse Jackson wins. Hands down. Only limited to "in baseball" is Roger the bigger media w****. Jackson is a bigger media w**** in politics than Roger is in baseball. Jackson is a bigger media w**** at large than Roger. Jackson's picture is in the dictionary next to "media w****." The phrase was coined over Jackson.

 

Still? Really?

I can't even remember the last time I've heard his name, probably around the Imus scandal.

 

You've got to consider the entire body of work. The "attention w****" complaints about Roger (and "attention w**** for him is a much better label than "media w****") only really began to pile up when he kept retiring and un-retiring. And even then, he wasn't calling press conferences: he was showing up at the same celeb golf tourneys that his retired and non-retired peers show up. The press asks stupid questions, and Roger's never one to turn down some face time, so now he's an "attention w****". Four or five years of a dog and pony show.

The "Reverend" Jesse Jackson has set up camara opportunities and nationally televised soapboxes for himself for the better part of 30 years. I only wish he were disappearing.

The two don't even compare.

 

Well, the mistress thing kinda quieted him for awhile.

 

I wish Roger would disappear.