Let's assume that Roger is guilty but thinks there is zero evidence out there to actually convict him..... So, he puts on the full court press, leans on his reputation (Which is not as good as he seems to think it is) and goes before congress and denies everything. It probably ends right there, no way to prove one way or the other. However, what if a test in the future is able to determine HGH, and the MLB players union allows Rogers sample to be tested? What then Roger? DD
I sure wouldn't. I just saw Barry Bonds was indicted essentially for being willfully blind. I'm not a chemist. I don't know what that trainer did. My primary objective is to stay out of jail. So instead of hiring a grandstander who's going to run around covertly taping phone calls and making bombastic declarations, I'm hiring a real white collar defense attorney, preferably a former U.S. Attorney. Roger thinks that he can challenge this like he's brushing a hitter of the plate. Well the trouble with that is that if you f-k up, you go to jail, rather than just give up a base.
Then, if he's still playing, he takes the test. If he passes it, he passes it. If he fails it, he fails it. Like anyone else. I'm not sure I even understand what it is you're saying, here.
I am saying I think Roger knows he did it but that there is little chance there is any real evidence he did. So he just denies it till the end...ala Pete Rose and betting on baseball...though even Rose admitted it eventually. I just think Roger believes he can get out of this, and the truth is he can't....there is no way to prove he didn't do it unless McNamee recants...and he won't. As for Roger's credibility......uh...."I am retired".....right !!!!???!?!?!? As for the rest, doesn't MLB keep blood samples from former tests? If not, more reason for Roger to feel secure in lying to Congress. DD
Fair point. You'd hire a different attorney. And if your Roger, everyone would instantly doubt you because your name appeared in the Mitchell Report....because one guy made an allegation. And so everything you did under that attorney's instruction would be spun as contrived and fake by the doubters. Let's be honest. None of us knows for sure....it just appears people who don't like Roger want this to be true....really want it to be true. I don't have much love for Roger, either. But I have a hard time condemning a man like this.
There's lots more evidence that Pete Rose bet on baseball than that Roger Clemens took steroids. There is a system in place for dealing with steroids. They test. If you fail the test, you're punished. If you don't, you're not. Is it possible guys are getting around the test?? Of course it is. But we don't unilaterally punish people generally because one guy alleges he saw another guy do steroids. We will never know for sure if McGwire used roids....we will never know for sure if Sosa used roids. But I can tell you, in two weeks Roger Clemens has been tons more active and responsive regarding the allegations than those guys have been over the past 10 years...and particularly since they were both called before Congress. If Roger keeps this up....assuming that he did steroids, he will have perjured himself to Congress and before the courts in denying it. All this without the pressure of prosecutors coming after him, as opposed to McNamee. I don't see it. And I think people dislike the guy...which is fine, because I do too...and are judging this solely off the fact they don't like him. Because when I read your posts you afford every benefit of the doubt to McNamee and afford none to Clemens.
They would doubt me more if I issued an emphatic denial, then sheepishly admitted a few days later that the accuser used to regularly inject me with substances which I felt were legal. A very relevant detail that was deliberately omitted. Also my own credibilty is not helped by secretly taping phone calls. Also, i saw a letter about this in the Times a few days ago and may as well mentio it here if it hasn't been mentioned yet. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic. If Roger is taking Lidocaine for his knee or shoulder - why is he having it injected into his bum? It would just make his butt numb. I believe if you need lidocaine you can get a lidocaine patch and just put it on your knee, shoulder, etc. That's just another piece of his story which doesn't quite fit.
I'd be interested in learning more about the Lidocaine stuff. I'm not saying what Hardin has done has been good....I'm suggesting he's who Clemens hired and that's the advice Clemens is taking. Perhaps to his own peril, as you suggest.
I'm not sure where the "butt" explanation came from as to where he took the shots. Did it come from one of his earlier reports, or this just a rumour? Because when asked in the conference on monday where he took the lidocaine shot he said in his lower back.
Actually, Clemens never said he took them in his butt. McNamee said that in the Mitchell report. Clemens only said he had taken injections of lidocaine and b-12 from McNamee. He didn't say 'where' in the interview. That ESPN piece with the doctors is just more shoddy reporting IMO. As for the lidocaine itself, I doubt you would get the same effect for joint pain through a patch as you would a shot.
Right. In the interview he didn't saything about where. And in the press conference he didn't say he got the injections in his butt either. Again that was McNamee to Mitchell, then the press picked it up and said Clemens was obviously lying because lidocaine in his butt wouldn't be effective despite Clemens never saying anything about his butt.
Wherever he got shot, Lidocaine is a drug, where did he get it and which doctor would prescribed this for pain relief!?! If I was truly innocent, I would be in front of a live reports for Q&A the next day and I would be saying "He is lying". ( Roger has never said this?!? ) That's 60min interview was a joke (come on you have to admit that one) nothing be softball questions. He's not gonna say anything in Congress, it's just gonna be "I can't comment because of the lawsuit...."
Actually I heard a trainer on the radio who said that lidocaine is used in situations where a large, painful needle is used to administer the drug in question. The lidocaine isn't being used to relieve joint pain, it's a local anesthetic meant to numb the spot the shot is going.
1. I don't know. I wonder about the cortizone shots that Schilling gets before each start. Do you need a prescription for those? 2. It's very easy to say what you think you'd be doing in this situation. I'm guessing you'd be following the advice of your counsel. 3. We'll see. I continue to hear Hardin say that Clemens is looking forward to addressing questions before Congress. If he gets there and does as you say, it will look bad as it did for McGwire. I think there's already an example there of what not to do if you're concerned about public relations. I don't see Clemens doing that, but we'll see.
Can't the team doctor prescribe that? And if it were all on the level, wouldn't he be the one administering the shot, not the strength/conditioning coach or some "trainer"?[/QUOTE]
