The thing that many of you don't seem to get is whether you or I were offended it doesn't really matter. Corretta Scott King's family isn't offended and seem to be OK with it. In fact one of the political speeches, not as political as Carter or Lowery's but political, was given by her own daughter. I don't see how yours, T_J, Basso's or even GW Bush's offense matters in regard to the funeral. The only opinion that really matters for Corretta Scott King is her family's.
In regards to the funeral how it was conducted and what was said is the family's determination of what is appropriate. But for Clutchfans or any other forum though don't y'all think going around bashing each other as racists and "owning" each other isn't very respectful of Corretta Scott King's memory? And that applies to both sides of this issue. Its true that Corretta Scott King had very strong opinions on things but she also conducted herself with dignity and respect even to those who opposed her and I think we all could learn something from her.
Hasn't using those weapons on Iran been discussed? It was mentioned recently that using tactical nukes to take out Iran's nuclear facilities might be a good idea.
I heard Lowrey speak on Hannity and Colmes last night. He said that he was asked by the family to make a speech about civil rights at the funeral. He said that it was written that way in the program and that was what the family wanted. His speech was about civil rights, and speeches about those causes at CSK's will naturally be political, and will naturally reflect poorly on Bush. Those the positions that he chose. It seems the problem here is that Bush supporters, conservative talkshow pundits don't like being reminded that their stances on issues are opposed to the beliefs and stances of great Americans like CSK, and MLK jr. Because someone is dead they try and corrupt the message of that hero to fit their own agenda, when in fact the messages of CSK, and MLK jr. were not fitting with the agenda of GW Bush or those that support his views on any number of issues. The fact that that plain truth was brought up at CSK's funeral as a request by the family is no reason for them to cry about it for almost a week.
"Either with us or against us" I guess that's what Bush really meant when he said that. It now appears that that statement was geared more towards people that disagree with the administration as apposed to terrorists.
am i to understand the king family asked lowrey to call out bush on WMD in Iraq, and that they somehow view that issue as a civil rights issue?
That was part of CSK's life, and when WMD mistakes/falsehoods lead to civil right's abuses then it is perfectly within the scope of the topic. As has been said many times, the family was very appreciative of what he did. Lowrey also mentioned that CSK worked and spoke against Bush as part of her daily work in her life. The ceremony didn't focus on Bush, but the comments about Bush were appropriate with the work of CSK's life, and what the family wanted as a tribute to CSK. I can't believe people are still trying to publically shame a family and the funeral service of CSK, because it wasn't the kind of funeral they wouldn't want to have. Because some conservatives have tried to re-make MLK's legacy into something their policies and attitudes are in synch with doesn't mean when the family has to buy into it as well. They are entitled to mourn how they wish, and they don't have to conform to anybody else's idea of what a funeral should be.
The people at the church who gave an 18 second standing ovation following the WMD comment thought it was OK to mention. Maybe you should too.
More money spent on war in Iraq = less money available to help our own people right here in the good old USA, especially after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Do you need any of us to simplify it further for you?
just wanted to be clear about how delusional you all are. you go your way, i'll go mine. we already know which way america's gone.
yup, we screwed up. i have hope, however, that we are capable of righting the ship. god bless the united states of america.
Who is delusional here? The minister made a statement in which he asserted that we are spending money in Iraq that could be used to help the poor here in America. If that isn't consistent with what CSK was fighting for, then I don't know what is.
maybe basso is right. if we didn't have a two trillion dollar war in iraq we'd just have a two trillion tax cut for the top 1% or something. which means the poor would have suffered just as much if not more given relative poverty would increase.
Big Bush ribbed the Reverend right back...cause unlike the Shrub the big Bush never appeared to have a "Agree with me or be a traitor" complex. There....I said something good about a Republican....take a picture...It doesn't happen often.
how many has died and how much money has been spent over false Bush's false WMD claims in Iraq? do you think that $300 billion will be wasted on something else anyway?
He puts in a smilie with his succinct comment, and you call him delusional? Dr. King and his wife had a decades long belief that war, unless the country was directly threatened, was wrong, and had an enormous impact on civil rights in the United States and abroad. And they were right, in my opinion. Vietnam was directly tied to the civil rights of minorities and others in this country, as well as those in Southeast Asia. If there is a clear and present danger to the United States, then war may become necessary. I believe that, and I don't doubt that Dr. and Mrs. King did as well. Speaking out against wars that do not fit that description, in their opinion, and that of any other sane person (in my opinion), is perfectly logical. I've said this many times... wars have unintended consequences. One of them can be a big impact on civil rights. I witnessed that during Vietnam. Some of my friends witnessed it in the field. Keep D&D Civil.
I love how the right wing deplores any mention of politics at funerals of leading democrats (who they trashed mercilessly while living, either personally or indirectly) as indecorous, then proceeds to use those funerals as political bludgeons and fuel for countless political rants, blog posts, O'Reilly shows, for weeks and months after the fact.
Which way is that? It seems to me that right now we're battling for the soul of this country and it's future direction. Moreso than at any other time in my life. Bush's narrow victory for a second term, his subsequent drop in public approval, the vehemence displayed by both sides, as evidenced by this thread, are all indicators of a country split down the middle.
