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Cindy Sheehan Surrenders

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, May 29, 2007.

  1. Space Ghost

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    I think you have a good point about people following the president really can't even be considered republicans. I support our president, simply because he is our president, bafoon or not. At the end of Band of brothers sums it up best, when Winters tells Sobel, "You salute the title, not the man".

    My problem lies when we think getting rid of Bush is the solution. IMO, Bush should be the least of our worries right now. We need to work on finding a good leader of this country that a majority (not 50.0001% with a margin of error +/- 2) of the people are willing to let lead this country. If we don't get a good president (good as in support from the country) in office next term, its going to be a LONG 6 years ahead of us.
     
  2. mc mark

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    ^^^Agree 100%

    But even a president must earn respect.
     
  3. giddyup

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    Her attempt to protrude and politicize her anguish put her in the public arena. It made many of us uncomfortable and did her very little good really-- as we've seen by her potshots at even the Democrats.
     
  4. Sishir Chang

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    Do you know if she had tried to dissuade him from joining or if she had encouraged him. What if she didn't want him to join but withheld from trying to force him not to out of respect? While yes he did join its not like parents have no influence on their children.

    Cindy Sheehan's son for whatever reason joined the military and his mother didn't stop him. I would call that a sacrifice.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Well put..
     
  6. giddyup

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    Sacrifice is a more charged word than loss is. To call it a sacrifice enlarges the loss and I think it is meant to inflict harsher criticism and political damage.

    I generally agree but her constant in-your-face actions put her in the public arena and make her susceptible to criticism. The things some may write of her here would never be said to her in person. People here (except you members of Westboro Baptist Church) are more decent than that.

    Here she is a symbol; in life she is a grieving mother.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Even as his mother, she had neither the right nor the ability to stop him from joining the military. He was an adult.
     
  8. mc mark

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    It made you uncomfortable?

    You are a man right?

    :p
     
  9. giddyup

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    I'm not sure what the underhanded attempt is here, but yes it made me uncomfortable to criticize a grieving mother.

    I like you Mark, but when it comes to understanding someone like me.... you just have no clue! :D
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    So you don't think parents have any influence on adult children?
     
  11. mc mark

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    And yet you did it anyway. Only for the reason of her opinion.

    And I think you weren't uncomfortable about how you felt "criticizing" a grieving mother. I think you wanted her to just shut up and not make you feel uncomfortable about how you were lied to and duped into a war.

    just my opinion
     
  12. Sishir Chang

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    Have you considered that maybe its to convey respect and sympathy?

    Criticism of her views and her actions sure but diminishing here loss by arguing whether she has sacrificed anything? Personally I find that classless.

    As for people being more decent in person than online I would hope that people would try to be decent in both cases. Cindy Sheehan will likely never read this thread, well she could be a Rockets fan, but I would like to think that even if I knew she was reading this I would treat her the same.
     
  13. JeopardE

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    Surely this had nothing to do with it.

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  14. giddyup

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    Well, some, but in the end adult children are adults first.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Wrong-- just your opinion.
     
  16. giddyup

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    The life was not hers to sacrifice; it was Casey's. In what way did I diminish her loss? By not allowing it to be politicized?

    I really doubt you would tell someone to their face that their opinion of ______ was "classless." I'm not sure but I think you just re-enforced my point.
     
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    The sad part is that the comments in this thread are much tamer that the hate mail and death threats she's received over the years.
     
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    What's the parallel between Cindy Sheehan "sacrificing" her son or him sacrificing himself, versus the same idea but with God and Jesus?

    (My train of thought made an odd detour.)
     
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    nice try but i dont think that really works. its the thought that counts...im flattered.


    great points and i cant agree more.
     

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