I think it is sad that she said "It looks like my son died for nothing". What? Is that how she wants everyone to remember her plight? That her son died for nothing? I think her son died for PLENTY. Certainly not for her years of grandstanding, but he died so people like her are allowed to grandstand. It's a shame that she feels that way, and its a shame that her son's sacrifice for our country will be remembered by her flameout.
This is a copout. If he says no, then it becomes "you don't understand." BS. I don't have kids, but I have family members. I understand that she is feeling a pain worse than can be imagined. This is why I have chosen not to pile on. The fact that somebody who has no kids decides to call her crazy or whatnot does not mean that they don't understand. They have chosen to ignore it.
Didn't you read the rest of his drivel? Why if Casey Shehan hadn't died in Iraq, we'd have lost our freedom of speech!
With 70% of the country wanting some form of timeline to get out of Iraq, the democrats have just caved to a president with 25% approval ratings. That's why she's going home and she has a point.
I would just be surprised if anyone who has a child would call the loss of a child to national service anything other than a sacrifice. I was also surprised that someone who ostensibly supports the military would not recognize the loss of a son or daughter as a sacrifice. That is what I was referring to in terms of "pissing on someone," - being dismissive of her loss because it is politically convenient. By saying she sacrificed nothing - that, my friend, is what I call pissing on someone. I don't agree with many of her views politically, but i think it is coarse and hypocritical to say she did not sacrifice anything. Donkey would disagree. I don't think it is asking anyone to be "PC" to at least recognize that Cindy Sheehan, love her or hate her views, lost a son in this war, and that her loss is profound and important. It's not about being PC, it's having some ******* respect for the loved ones of the OEF/OIF fighting personnel, whose hearts are being carved out by the service of their family members, even when it is not to your political advantage. It's too bad that "I Support The Troops As Long As Their Family Members Are Not Outspoken With Views I Do Not Agree With, Because In That Case I Will Vilify Their Family Members" does not fit on a bumper sticker.
you are entitled to your opinion (no matter how off base it might be), but if you had any family serving you might not say things like this. she lost a son and is now questioning the rationale for why he died. you may not think so, but imo to loose a child is the highest sacrifice for a parent and absolutely, positively the hardest thing for any parent to have to go through. i dont think she came off very well in interviews and i do think she was used by the democratic party to an extent, but i wouldnt question her sincerity w/ what she is doing. i suspect that a big part of why she is "surrendering" has to do with the fact that she is now coming out against the democrats as well - ive heard her say that hillary is a war mongerer and no different than tranny guilliani or mccain. where do yall think most of her funding was coming from all this time?
I don't question what she did when she first started her protest - and I think that's what made it so effective. At some point, though, she went off the deep end when she was posing for pictures with Hugo Chavez and all sorts of other non-sense. At that point, to me, she entered the purely political arena and it was no longer truly simply about her son and the "what did he die for" aspect.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that anyone who serves in the military and dies doing it, deserves our utmost respect. I come from a family of men who fought and (some) died for our country, and I don't think that should be overlooked. It doesn't matter if they died fighting terrorists, or if they died changing a tire on a military jeep on an American base in Switzerland. They volunteered to be in the military to do a job that could cost them their life. That is more than we all do at our mundane jobs typing on message boards all day. So to answer your question, he died for our country. That says enough IMO.
Honestly, until this happened, I can't remember the last time I heard Sheehan's name mentioned. What's next, is Ricky Henderson going to quit baseball?
He died for our country, which is what makes it all the more tragic, because our nation failed him, and all the other military casualties by getting into this meaningless war. The soldier should be honored, the govt. and the folks who elected them are the ones that failed.
i understand what you mean jo, but im still having a hard time calling it her sacrifice. He sacrificed, i agree. He offered his services to the militart and died doing so. But did she offer his services to the military? doesnt one have to offer something to sacrifice? Unless she offered her son, in which case she is a hypocrit bashing the president when she offered him...but again the guy made his own decision as an adult. I would say she suffered, but sacrificed...im having a hard time saying thats what she did. maybe its just me... but i also agree that she did say some outlandish things, hence the crazy label and certainly the lack of respectable support.
If Casey was drafted, that could be viewed as a sacrifice. No doubt it is a profound loss, but under the circumstances it is politically expedient to call it a sacrifice. Serving in the military was Casey's choice. He made a sacrifice; she didn't.
Ok she didn't "sacrifice" but she lost her son and is upset. That's it. You may not agree with her views or message, but respect the fact that she lost her son in Iraq and respect her right to be upset about the circumstances of that death. This debate is just semantics.
I see, because she did not make the choice for him to join the military... maybe so, actually, you might technically be right on the term sacrifice. I might give you that one, this is better explanation. I don't definitely agree - maybe - but I see that point. It's not about being politically expedient, though, i dont even know what that means. She lost her son to the war, whether or not it fits the criteria of a "sacrifice" is not totally the point - her son is gone. The point was and is, I still think her profound loss is deserving of some baseline level of respect. These dying soldiers have families, she is one, and I think being ugly ugly to her and calling her a skank, and piling on is not in the spirit of honoring the families of those who have been killed.
Really? 80% of the D&D ramble about how awful our president is and you're just now getting a hint of a clue the democrats are no better, if not worse?? "impeach/firing squad bush" For what? Cheney? "Elect a democrat". Do you not really understand that our whole government, from top to bottom, both party sides, are completely worthless? Do you not realize what would happen if our country would step up and actually support the military and our government, right or wrong, would actually help the troops? I know, you call BS. They are only succeeding because for every troop or bomb they set off, its creating a larger rift between ourselves. She has a damn good point. Too bad the rest of us "non-crazy" people can't understand.
I'm not quite clear on your point Space Ghost. But no, I disagree, unlike the lockstep (you know? I can't even call them conservatives or republicans anymore, how about) people who follow this president, I criticize the dems quite a bit in here.
