CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

Except that title of the thread doesn't say Russian installed Trump. It only says that was their purpose in their meddling. It doesn't claim that's why Trump won.

 

It says that Russia manipulated the election and installed Trump as if it happened like that.

 

No, read it again. It says they did it to install Trump as in that's the reason why they interfered. The reason isn't really in question either.

 

It implies that their hacking of the DNC could have the result of installing Trump as president, being that the hack was successful and the result of the election was Trump winning, it implies that they successfully "installed" Trump as president. I mean, that's what those words suggest anyway.

 

Assange has been accused of being many things, but dishonest is not one of them. In fact, as wikileaks has shown he has a much better record of telling the truth than the entire US government.

 

Only 29 per cent of Americans are convinced ‘with near certainty’ that Russia was behind a series of election-year computer hacks that left Hillary Clinton playing permanent defense in the months leading up to the Nov. 8 election.

That number includes fully half of Democrats surveyed – but just 14 per cent of Republicans.

A Morning Consult poll released Tuesday also found that 46 per cent agree that Americans ‘cannot be sure about who is primarily responsible.’ Another 25 per cent either don’t know or have no opinion.

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The bigger issue here to me is no longer whether Russia hacked the DNC or wanted Trump to win, it's how easily the Fuhrer has gotten his bloc of support to basically take the stance that you can't trust anyone involved in the United States government or intelligence agencies. The only person we can trust is Trump, Julian Assange has more credibility than Obama, Putin regime defectors and dissenters are to marginalized, Russia isn't really that bad, etc. I really can't believe what I'm seeing.

 

You can't believe it because you are really not seeing it. In fact, you just made nearly all of that up.

But if that somehow makes you feel better to do that, carry on I guess.

 

read this entire tweetstorm on the Russian hack, pretty scary stuff

 

Yes it did.

Hannity has been defending the veracity of Julian Assange and called him more credible than Obama. He gave him an hour special lol. This is after weeks of saying on his radio show that he had no reason to lie about this but that the CIA does.

Tucker Carlson has dismissed the complaints of Russian defectors.

Trump himself has mocked the intelligence agencies basically saying they are faking evidence and needed more time to put their fake evidence together. This after saying his CIA director wouldn't say Russia was involved when they took over.

Nearly every Senator, most of the House, the CIA, the FBI, etc. etc. all say it was Russia but less than 30% of America believe that ENTIRELY due to Trump's dismissal coupled with the concerted efforts of Fox News and talk radio to paint the CIA as a political hack organization being manipulated by Obama.

 

Right I just cited Hannity. It's all of them. The position right now of Donald Trump, the majority of Fox News and the majority of the talk radio hosts is that Assange is trustworthy (at least on this), has no reason to lie, etc., that Russia had nothing to do with this, that Obama is a liar, that the CIA and FBI are political organizations and are part of the "swamp" and that any Senator or Congressman who says otherwise is an enemy of Trump with an axe to grind.

It's echoed by Trump supports on social media with the "meme" being to blame everything on Russia. My dog pooped on the carpet, blame Russia, etc.

I do give credit to conservatives likes Stephen Hayes who are pushing back against this, but they are spitting in the wind and will simply be discredited as part of the "establishment" and the "swamp" and enemies of Trump.

This is stunning to me.

 

There is no question that Assange is more trustworthy than Obama. Obama is a pathological liar and Assange in his role at Wikileaks has been one of the most consistently accurate and trustworthy people on Earth, leaving aside how scummy the whole leaking thing is.

I don't know what Tucker Carlson said, and this "Putin defectors" comment is just silly.

Our intelligence agencies are extensions of the Obama regime, at least for another 16 days, and like much of the rest of our national government, have had their reputations thoroughly trashed by Obama as he has corrupted the purposes of these agencies by forcing them to service his corrupt partisan political purposes.

The days of "they are the government," or "they are the experts," so "we have to trust them" are over. It was on Obama's watch that their credibility was sacrificed to the last. It was Obama and the Democrats that damaged their reputations to the extent we see here. I hope what he and the Democrat's got in exchange for ruining these agencies credibility was worth it to you. Because now nobody believes any of them. Nor should they.

It is not clear to me that the people in Congress are taking the side of Obama on the DNC hacking thing. Rather the Russians (and the Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans and probably a number of others) have been engaged in a cyber-war against us for quite a long time now. The Republicans have tried to pass legislation on this and they support taking stronger measures to combat this cyber-war. Obama has not been very helpful with this. It appears the media has attempted to conflate the later with the former, in their typically unreliable, misleading and dishonest "fake news" fashion.

The idea that the Republican Congress would want to implement sanctions and throw out 35 Russian diplomats solely because the DNC practiced inadequate security measures on their network and had information about election-related corruption by the Democrats disclosed as a result, is beyond absurd. Reports by the media to the contrary, that is not what has happened and I expect the Republicans and Donald Trump to broadly crack-down on this ongoing cyber-war (which is what the Republicans in Congress are encouraging) after he takes office.

However, even those steps would not have protected John Podesta from the phishing scam that he stupidly fell for, if that is in fact what happened here (I have some real doubts, as a number of sources are suggesting it was a leak by a DNC staffer and not any kind of a hack at all). At some point, everyone has to take some basic responsibility for their own security. This is on Podesta and the Dems, plain and simple.

 

Assange: I have no way of knowing who provides me with leaked information. They are totally anonymous.
Assange: I absolutely know the Russians didn't provide me with leaked information nor were they involved in any way.

MojoMan et al: Assange is a truth teller

Baffling to me.

 

This ongoing saga is pure insanity. It's not about the emails to me. In general, while I dislike hacking, I don't cry the blues for the democrats on that. To me it is the defense of Putin and the undermining of our institutions and it didn't begin with the emails. During the campaign Trump dismissed the idea that Putin assassinated political opponents or journalists. He dismissed the notion that Putin invaded the Ukraine. Now he dismisses the notion that Putin was involved in this. He (I guess "jokingly) asked them to do it during the campaign lol!

I just don't even know how to process this.

 

SamFisher went from But Trump to Butt Hurt..... Of course that's what he meant. He's grasping at any straw he can.

 

Those are horribly phrased questions. I would probably answer "no opinion" with those two choices.

 

If, as we were told by Intel way before the election (as early as 2015), Russia interfering with the US election is primarily to undermine US and western democracy, institutions and their governments.... they have already succeeded a great deal.