CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

"Precedent to set" -- you really believe that's unprecedented? There is a long history of government, big business, and the "free press" colluding with one another.

 

Sam can you start a thread about Donald Trump manipulating p***y to install Hillary as president?

 

Again, it wasn't just the Pedestal emails, but keep pretending that if you would like to pretend that it's okay. Of course people who really care about America first would be concerned even if it was only the Pedestal emails.

Sorry, guy smilie, but I haven't ignored anyone colluding with the media.

 

Not really. We have no idea, and I don't know how it's even possible to tell if they had an effect on the outcome of the election. None of that makes it okay for a foreign nation to attempt to interfere or steal documents. It is especially not acceptable for them to do it in an effort (successful or not) to interfere in our election.

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that computer crimes are EVER acceptable....but neither is a political party colluding with the media to interfere in our elections. The act of stealing the documents was unacceptable just as the acts that the documents proved happened were unacceptable. Basically both the DNC and Russia were wrong for trying to manipulate the election.

 

Yeah, and I've not been shy about stating the DNC was at fault.

But there are plenty of people trying to pretend like the Russians stealing documents wasn't a big deal, or even worse that it was a positive thing.

 

It would be a bigger deal if they stole them from a government agency or something like that, but sure, it's concerning any time a state sponsored actor commits crimes. I'm not sure what exactly can be done about it, but for sure you can bet the DNC will be modifying their email policy and putting more resources into information security.

 

They've made other changes as well. In the past under other leaders they weren't guilty of violating their own policy of remaining even-handed and not taking sides. Hopefully their new leader will return to that practice.

 

Well, in some ways then this whole thing could be a bad thing that leads to necessary changes. By no means am I excusing the criminal actions, I'm just saying that perhaps it'll lead to things being better in the long run. They say sunlight is the best disinfectant, let's hope that's true.

 

Tha Dude talked about the media being in for Hillary Clinton, not just biased. Makes one wonder how tha Dude came to this conclusion.

 

We've been through this. You're presuming the GOP didn't have their emails hacked as well. We've seen some Powell leaks with attention paid upon his comments about Hillary. I doubt good security practices are universal for both sides.

It's just that only one major American political party had their most damning (and true) emails which clearly signals and corroborates intent on sabotaging her campaign by dripping leaks with each news cycle.

If both sides had their **** exposed, it would be more in line with some people's call for transparency.

The purpose of clear. The effect and extent of the damage isn't.

 

This isn't about questioning the legitimacy of Trump as President. I accept him as president and have no desire to see him ousted because of Russian interference. I think he's already showing he is a terrible leader and has no clue what he is doing but that's not why this issue of Russian interference is important.

I think the thing that needs to be looked at is how much influence does Russia have? The fact that Russia tried to manipulate our election is cause for alarm in any of itself - especially to support one candidate. There needs to be investigation on what other tactics and what they did - not to overturn the outcome of this election, but to ensure they don't meddle again. Next time it could be Russia supporting a Democratic president after all. I don't want that either. This should transcend party politics, and frankly something Trump should get behind as well.

I'd sleep a lot better if Trump embraced this report instead of ridiculing it. While our right-wing friends here think this is political and therefore defend Trump with a vengeance....to me this isn't about Trump/Clinton but again, about our sovereignty as a nation.

 

The Sweet Lou thinks you're wasting the Invisible Fan's time on this bobby character.

 

Well, there's no evidence of it at all, and for all you know, even if it did happen, there was nothing juicy worth releasing. It starts crossing over into tin foil hat territory when you just start making things up with nothing to base it on.

 

Priebus's about face with enforcing Trump's legitimacy turned out to be a sweet deal for both of them. It doesn't take leaks to see what happens after the fact.

As for the GOP getting hacked, there's no proof of it, not that I know of.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/gop-russia-hacking-trump/

Our intelligence is saying there is evidence that Russia hacked the GOP - it just didn't share anything with the public.

I think it is alarming that our political parties are being infiltrated by our #1 geopolitical antagonist.

 

Then I get to wear my tin foil hat with style.

 

I believe you'll have to use aluminum foil...

 

I almost missed this little melodramatic gem!

Why is that people have the need to announce they are putting someone on ignore? I guess it's to kindly warn the other person and everyone else in case they are puzzled. Afterall, he doesn't want to come across as being rude....