CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

It wasn't only podesta, who btw also served under Obama.

The mere thought of foreign interference upon our time honored processes used to go along way among our Red Blooded Patriots.

It seems the war you're fighting isn't against the Reds, but against the Blues.

 

you didn't answer. lackey you said? how so?

And is this what we are going with now? That these emails swayed the election. I was told it voters broke for Trump late because of Comey. Is he working for the Russians? Or I thought it was because white American racists came out in droves or something.

Just out of curiosity how many Americans do you think can name one email leaked by the Russians?

 

Yeah the whole "Just whining" argument doesn't work here, there are plenty conservatives that are rightly worried about this.

Whether the emails helped sway the election is impossible to know. You can't go into the mind of every voter, unless there is a poll out there that can tell us it's kind of useless to talk about IMO.

But. The intent of Russia was to help sway the election in Trump's favor. Why that is should be an important question to ask, no?

 

No it isn't. If Americans aren't familiar with the context of the emails then it didn't sway their vote. So you just poll some trump voters and ask.

If the intelligence community says that then sure, but they don't. FBI and ODNI say they do not know why and that the CIA's evidence is not strong.

 

I'm so relieved the CIA is finally concerned about a state interfering with another nation's electorate in order to install an undemocratic right-wing despot. You do realize the CIA has been doing that for generations, in among other places, Russia?

Please explain to me why it's an outrage when it happens to the US, but it's perfectly sound for the CIA to do it to others?

There are 1000+ other more credible reasons why Trump won and even more reasons that undermine his credibility. We have a president-elect that has no interest in intelligence briefings, foreign policy advisors, or anyone with remotely any experience in the cabinet positions they are being nominated for other than that they belong to the privileged class he promised to kick out of Washington. We can't blame "the Russians" for that and that concerns me a hell of a lot more.

But by all means, let's keep talking about damaging leaks that happen to be true, and assert with a straight face that a Slovenian ex-model who came of age after the Cold War is somehow an FSB mole.

I'm fine with the Senate's call for an investigation but the New Russophobia is becoming as eye-rolling as the old Red Scare. This smells of a misplaced loyalty in a flawed candidate that failed her supporters with a crooked and myopic campaign of her own and the country as a whole for allowing Trump to get elected in the first place.

Even assuming that all of these allegations are true, it's Clinton and the DNC you should be angry at, not those that exploited their corruption, negligence, and hubris. They bear more responsibility than anyone that Trump is our president.

 

I just think more people would care if it was some actual interference instead of something that didn't push the needle one way or the other. They'd probably also care more if it was something worse than hacked emails exposing that the DNC colluded to screw over Bernie Sanders and rig the primary election and that the media was in bed with the DNC and attempting to give Hillary an advantage.

I mean, when you expose corruption, I guess you can blame the whistleblower for having ulterior motives for doing so, but really most of the "outrage" is going to be about the corruption that was exposed. If an employee is outed for stealing from the company, does it matter that the person who did so, only did so with the hopes of profiting off of the employee's termination? No, it only matters that a thief was outed.

 

Why? The DNC and HRC weren't doing anything bad were they?

 

We're Amurica, son. What is wrong with you? Amurica, love it or leave it. Or as Obama and others would say we believe in "American exceptionalism".

We support a coup of an unpopular but democratically elected government in Ukraine, a historic part of Russia, that promptly persecuted ethnic Russians and if the Russians object that just goes to show how horrible they are.

It would be analogous to China helping to promote a coup in Canada and beginning to oppress the descendants of Americans living in Canada. We might object and it would not make us horrible.

 

They released and spread fake news stories as part of their propaganda. It was done with bots and paid human trolls. Some of the stories they spread appeared on this bbs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...16af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.d0fb9738feb7

Though even if they "only" stole documents and spread that information, that in itself is a serious breach. Why are you so dead set on minimizing that?

 

I went to a great deal of trouble to change my name on the board so that I wouldn't be confused with Dei, whom I also have on ignore at this point since my quota for anti-semitism has been exceeded for the year. If you're being cheeky as a slight to undermine my posts, you are proving the conservatives on the board right that deflection and hubris remain the main principles of the vanguard of the party that lost what should have been an easy election to a nationalist-populist-nosepicker to become the nation's leader in the first place.

Look, If you want to engage my arguments like a grownup, I sincerely welcome it. As educated and literate as you are, it's disappointing that you do this. I'm neither thin-skinned or dick enough to derive any pleasure to be a dick back to you or anyone else online just because someone disagrees with me, and I'm going to feel really shitty if I end up having to put you on ignore too just for the sake of the signal-to-noise ratio.

If you need assurances that (((I'm))) not Dei, I'll be happy to post from now in Hebrew. Or post my Israeli ID, links to articles I wrote when I worked in the Israeli press, or articles written about me in the Israeli press. I can post a dental x-ray proving I have all of my teeth, or if none of that is good enough, I'll be in the Lower East side for Christmas -- you are more than welcome to join me and my old Russian roommate from Tel Aviv Merkaz for Chinese food.

 

The CIA has yet to release anything. No different than McCarthy waiving around the "list of names".

 

It's actually 180° different and not even close to the straw man you just pummeled, but please, carry on. The intell is classified as of now, you can argue it doesn't matter to the election results which I am inclined to agree with you on, but this isn't a made-up list of state department EE's and movie stars.

 

What exactly is the evidence linking this to Russia? From what I have read there are two things: a server used in the DNC attack that is linked to the 2015 German parliament hack, and the supposed link to Russian government officials of those who leaked info to WikiLeaks.

That's it. Reliance on German spy agencies and circumstantial evidence.

 

"Yule C"

 

I've posted repeatedly that I supported the Senate investigation -- I seriously doubt that glynch is against it.

It's perfectly reasonable when confronted with "OMG THE RUSSIANS SIBERIAN CANDIDATE SHE ACTUALLY WON." It was US/British refusal to abide by the Yalta zones of control agreements to intervene for the formerly Axis-friendly right-wingers in the Greek Civil War that spawned the Cold War in the first place. I'm not interested in any new wars, cold or otherwise, especially when they can be avoided. I've also mentioned that it's hard to be self-righteous when the CIA was only recently busted for bugging Angela Merkel.

You've mentioned that you support the notion of American Exceptionalism. I don't want to build a strawman to insinuate that your belief is inclusive of the support of these kinds of subversions, but you've never indicated otherwise, and most of the rest of the world really doesn't like it. It doesn't make it herpy or derpy just because me, glynch, Abbie Hoffman, Herbert Marcuse, Ron Paul or anyone else you don't like agrees with them.

 

A Marcuse reference! (*B-Bob falls in faint*)

Clutchfans restores some hope in me after all.

 

Dude isn't political and if you read my comments you would see that I didn't vote in the election. I was just issuing my opinion on stuff, man. Dude can have an opinion without being a political hack.

And if you think I buy into propaganda then you're deflecting without actually addressing the dudes concerns that are at stake here.

I mean, I basically just called out the media for being biased. do you really think dude is someone who buys in on propaganda man?

 

It's painful to be treated by someone who is all

as if you were

when all along, you were like