CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

The extent to which some people are going to in order to defend Russia on this matter is seriously unreal. On top of that, Trump's response in claiming that this is nothing more than a scheme by the Democrats is even more disturbing and it seems like that isn't getting discussed much at all. Seriously, the CIA believes that Russia hacked and aired the dirty laundry of one of our presidential candidates in order to influence the outcome of the election and the PRESIDENT ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has openly stated that he believes the CIA's conclusions are a vast left wing conspiracy. God help us all.

 

These "allegations" are supported by the CIA's inquiry into the matter, aren't they? Isn't it therefore fair to assume that there's truth to it?

I don't think Deckard asserted that Clinton would have won otherwise. He compared it to Watergate -- if my history is correct I believe Nixon would have won that election as well in a landslide without the Watergate break-in. Doesn't make the break-in itself not a big deal.

The thing is, we don't know how things might have unfolded without those leaks. You say people "already knew". To some degree, sure, but when "substantial evidence" is presented that has an impact on people. Why deny this? It motivates some who may not have bothered to go the polls otherwise to vote. It motivates Bernie supporters who may have held their nose and voted for Clinton otherwise to say "Screw it, I'm not going to vote."

Trump already had a very favorable view of Putin, before all of this. He likes strongmen. Putin has been buttering him up before this, and that works on a guy like Trump who is so ego-driven. So I don't know if this makes Trump any more likely to act like a Russian stooge than he would have anyway. We'll see.

You seem to think this is all about Clinton, and Trump's merits or lack thereof are irrelevant to the discussion. Not so.

Clinton was undoubtedly a flawed candidate. Trump in the view of the majority of the country, was even more flawed. So, just accepting it as "Well, Clinton sucked and we need to put up a better candidate" isn't enough. For sure, Democrats need to reevaluate their message and their processes for finding candidates in the future. I'm not dismissing that at all.

But asserting that spread of blatant misinformation, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, exploiting white nationalist sentiment, and cyber attacks/leaks intended to tip the scales in Republican favor is irrelevant to how the election unfolded is nuttiness to the extreme, in my opinion.

 

give some examples.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E

According to the ODNI and FBI , their is no evidence the Russians wanted to help Trump win. They disagree with the CIA. But even if they didn't, if the extent of Russia's involvement is releasing some authentic personal emails of a Clinton employee then you liberals are reaching.

 

Sure, I'll give a great example: you. Yeah, there's some debate about what Russia's actual motives were, not that they were responsible for the hacks. Do you agree with our future POTUS that the CIA assessment is a left wing conspiracy?

 

Of course not. Russia has hacked the Obama administration and the Democrats plenty of times. Im sure they did this time too. I am not sure how this qualifies as 'Extent some people are going to in order to defend Russia on this matter.'

 

You've claimed in this thread that this is nothing more than Russia sharing some of Podesta's emails (which is false). Regardless, why is it that you think they released the hacked information? For fun? To expose corruption?

 

Yes. I'm 12.

I'd respond to the rest of your post, but it's like arguing with a wall.

 

then tell me what else they have done?

 

Because the Russians are in fact aliens. They love Endless War and the first half of the movie Red Dawn. In fact the movie Red Dawn as shown in Russia is half the running-time of the US version.

Their end-game to this massive conspiracy is to make all Americans cosmonauts, move them to the moon, then expand their Ruskie disease to the USA and re-name it New Russia.

 

They released the emails of a bunch of staff members as well as the contents of her speeches to Wall Street. Now tell me why it that you think they did this.

 

For transparency to the public.

 

They you for finally being honest and admitting all the Russians did was leak some real emails.

why would Russia want to weaken Hillary's popularity? I could think of a million reasons. Weaken her credibility because they think she might win. Embarrass the nation by exposing one of the candidates for being a piece of ****. help trump get elected. who knows.

 

Wow, I can't believe you actually just admitted how unbelievably naive you are.

 

please tell me you're kidding.

 

No, you said it Podesta's emails which is all that I was trying to correct. Nice gotcha attempt though.

 

how is this hard to piece together??? hillary is known for taking a hard stance against russia. trump is known to be as much of a russian "supporter" as one could realistically be in this day and age. hillary as president = continued sanctions and hardline stance against their transgressions. trump in office = a possible break in sanctions and a larger seat at the global table. russia has as much riding on this as anyone.

I'm just flabbergasted that we're actually having these arguments. it's just this continuation of bizzaro world where the only thing that matters is party affiliation. and why are "conservatives" all of a sudden okay with being russia's lackey??? why justify these actions?? simply because your side won??? party before country - it's ******* embarrassing.

 

lackey? how so? all that happened was they released some real ****ing emails. they didnt rig an election, they didnt force anyone to vote for anybody, they hack and released some real dialogue that showed HIllary in extremely bad light. Because shes ****ing awful. good grief you people are dishonest.

Ask US intelligence which says they don't know why.

 

Anyway, I've taken care of the issue by doing something I should have done a long time ago. I finally put Sweet Lou on permanent time out on the ignore list. For a time his moronic arguments were funny to laugh at, but he's pushed it into pathetic little **** territory so he's done. Hopefully things can get and stay back on topic now. With him, it was ALWAYS going to get off topic because he never had the intellectual capacity for these types of discussions, hopefully the rest of you do better.

 

You have to expect that, after all, this whole thing is part of a temper tantrum that started on election night.

 

you people... ha. i've voted for republicans, voted for W; i've also voted for obama.... don't try and paint anyone with some sort of subjective brush when you can't view anything beyond republican-colored glasses. my allegiances aren't dependent on party affiliation and my ability to objectively look at the evidence at hand and formulate a very educated guess isn't restricted simply because my party "won".

russia "released some real ***ing emails" that they obtained by hacking one political party's server to help sway an election that had a tremendous amount riding on. they didn't hack these servers to serve as bastions of a transparent democracy (you know communism and all). they did so because they have a whole helluva lot to gain with trump in white house.